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Shahran Sunny Audit
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:14 am 
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Just take a look at some of the cuts they decide upon. Is the Indian Goverment really that closed minded? Guess Democracy doesn't apply to art!

Mutham Censored Scenes

Bala Censored Scenes

Kya Dil Ne Kahaa Censored Scenes

Chandi Bar Censored Scenes

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DragunR2
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From Mutham:

Delete the entire sequence of human sacrifice being performed by the Mandhravathi.- Deleted:

Whaa??? :sus: :oh: :keh:



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spike86
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:O
What I don't understand is that why do they give a movie an 'A' certificate and then delete the scenes and language from it.

It's like giving a movie and 'R' rating then bleeping out the curses and blurring out the violence?
WTF?
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DVD Collector
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DragunR2 -- hands down, you have the best signature on this forum. :bash: :thumbs: :bash:
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DragunR2
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spike86 wrote:
:O
What I don't understand is that why do they give a movie an 'A' certificate and then delete the scenes and language from it.

It's like giving a movie and 'R' rating then bleeping out the curses and blurring out the violence?
WTF?

The somewhat vague guidelines are listed on the site. Who knows how these guys operate? They cut out "kutiya" from some films, but they frequently allow ridiculous amounts of violence.

DVD Collector wrote:
DragunR2 -- hands down, you have the best signature on this forum. :bash: :thumbs: :bash:


LOL, thank you! :laugh:
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sknath
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DragunR2 wrote:
spike86 wrote:
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What I don't understand is that why do they give a movie an 'A' certificate and then delete the scenes and language from it.

It's like giving a movie and 'R' rating then bleeping out the curses and blurring out the violence?
WTF?

The somewhat vague guidelines are listed on the site. Who knows how these guys operate? They cut out "kutiya" from some films, but they frequently allow ridiculous amounts of violence.

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DragunR2 -- hands down, you have the best signature on this forum. :bash: :thumbs: :bash:


LOL, thank you! :laugh:

Actually Dragun you should de-reference (using Java lingo here), the word "kutiya".. If i think what you think u are referring to then it is indeed kutiya... but on the other hand "kutiya" can also mean. HUT :tounge:

What you should have written :- KUTHIYA ! :stupid:
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DragunR2
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Oops, okay, KUTHIYA. But I think 'hut' should also be censored :)
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Sanjay
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spike86 wrote:
It's like giving a movie and 'R' rating then bleeping out the curses and blurring out the violence?
WTF?

Actually as a matter of fact there are times when even to get an 'R' rating scenes have to be deleted from Hollywood films. Thye do have 2 more more mature (adult) rating over 'R'. Namely they are 'NC17' & 'X'. But the biggest difference between the US and India is that in the US you are not forced to cut anything, infact you don't even have to have your film rated. IT is only because most theater chains refuse to screen films without ratings and/or X/NC17 ratings, that producers/studios cut their films to get lower ratings. The other major reason why producers/studios sometimes force (pressurise) directors to cut parts of a film is to be able to get a more family friendly PG13 or PG rating, is because and 'R' rating severly limits the potential business and in the case of 'NC17' & 'X' ratings the potential business even further eroded in addition to lesser screens available for screening, since most major cinema chains will not screen 'NC17' & 'X' rated films. Even on Home Video the potential business is reduced due to the likes of Blockbuster having a policy not to stock any films rated above 'R'.
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DragunR2
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The X rating does not exist in America. It was replaced by NC-17. Blockbuster as an organization does not usually stock anything above R, but they have stocked unrated versions of American Pie 2 and a few other films, and I've also seen one or 2 unrated softcore videos there. Some studios, such as Warner, do not release unrated versions of films in the US on video or in theaters, hence the R rated cut of "Eyes Wide Shut" here, but other countries get the uncut version.
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sknath
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DragunR2 wrote:
The X rating does not exist in America. It was replaced by NC-17. Blockbuster as an organization does not usually stock anything above R, but they have stocked unrated versions of American Pie 2 and a few other films, and I've also seen one or 2 unrated softcore videos there. Some studios, such as Warner, do not release unrated versions of films in the US on video or in theaters, hence the R rated cut of "Eyes Wide Shut" here, but other countries get the uncut version.

Dragun there is nothing "unrated" abt AP-2... IMO it was a really stupid film that cashed in on the popularity of AP-1.. I think some years back I had used the opening scenes of AP-1 (where he is trying to decipher something out of scrambled pictures) to poke fun at the now-defunct organization called the Taleban !

Coming back, to this discussion.... what is the difference between Nc-17 and R ? and X ?
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DragunR2
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Sknath, 2 DVD versions were released of each American Pie film, an R-rated version and an unrated version. The unrated version of AP1 has the main character actually getting on top of the pie instead of standing there with it. No joke. I don't know what was added to the unrated version of AP2. Both films sucked, rated or not!

R = Anyone under 17 must be accompanied by an adult.
NC-17 = Nobody under 18 admitted at all. (I don't know why it isn't NC-18.) X was probably the same thing.
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Sanjay
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DragunR2 wrote:
The X rating does not exist in America. It was replaced by NC-17.

That is correct, the 'X' rating was replaced by the 'NC-17' rating. It was done because directors/producers did not want their work compromised by cuts to get a 'R' rating, but since the 'X' rating has a huge negative (pornographic) connotation, the studios used to avoid the 'X' rating at all costs. That is why you also won't find many films with the 'X' rating as producers when faced with a 'X' rating simply choose not to have the film rated at all or toned down the film to qualify for a 'R' rating.



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Sanjay
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DragunR2 wrote:
NC-17 = Nobody under 18 admitted at all. (I don't know why it isn't NC-18.) X was probably the same thing.

The reason it is called NC-17 and not NC-18 is because the age limit is 17 and not 18.

G = 'General Audiences'. All ages admitted.
PG = 'Parental Guidance Suggested'. Some material may not be suitable for children.
PG-13 = 'Parental Guidance Suggested for Children below 13'. Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
R = 'Restricted'. Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
NC-17 = 'No Children under 17'. No one 17 and under admitted.

United States Movie Rating System:

The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) supervises a board of 8 to 13 members who work for the Classification and Rating Administration (CARA). In turn, the board is funded by film distributors and producers, who pay a fee to have their films rated.

Operating since 1968, an important difference between the MPAA and movie rating boards of other countries is the voluntary nature of the American movie rating system. No studio, distributor, theater, or video store is bound by any legislation to follow the ratings applied by the MPAA ratings board. Also and most importantly there is no censorship involved other than voluntary cuts or changes by a producer/studio to get a particular rating.



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congress
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To a certain extent censorship is important but I think it is definitely immature to censor a kissing scene when in actuality the film already has an adult theme. I mean who wants kids to watch Chandni Bar anyway.
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DragunR2
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congress wrote:
To a certain extent censorship is important but I think it is definitely immature to censor a kissing scene when in actuality the film already has an adult theme. I mean who wants kids to watch Chandni Bar anyway.

Do they still censor kissing? I remember seeing some in the past 5 years or so. Are there any regional censor boards that are less strict than the others?
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