dvdisoil, I am not sure what you are going on abt dude

but if you had taken the time to read ali’s post you would have known that he said that kashyap was somehow behind rgv’s success and he used the film ‘black friday’ to prove his point

thus my opinions on kashyap and his film black friday were definitely in order in our discussion

so take the time to read through the entire thread before commenting

and furthermore I would prefer that you leave the name-calling out of your posts ie. ‘rgv slave’

If me liking EVERY RGV film I've ever seen (some without my knowledge of the films ever relating to RGV) means that I'm a slave, then call me slave!!

I agree with Mola's response. It's not just a pure coincidence that every movie with RGV name attached to it turns out good -> great.

Sarkaar is actually appreciated by many. Although there are only 3 here that seem to like this film. I'm scratching my head as to why anyone that's ever liked Godfather wouldn't like this film. It's a brilliant 'remake'! even though it's not a complete remake, it's just heavily inspired.

Films don't have to have a great story. If I wanted to a great story, I'd grab a book. Films are more than just a story. They are gloss and floss. Presentation counts just as much as the story itself, if not more. Directors/Producers can make or BREAK a story. They can turn a dull story into a good film, and turn a good story into a disaster of a movie. RGV has proved his worth as a great film maker time and time again, and also that he is the most underrated film maker! I can't wait to see how he will fare under a hollywood production. I don't want to see a horror flick though! But if that's what he does, this slave will be there first day first show.

I don't know what arsh consistantly rants about Naach. It's a GREAT film, that's right, GREAT. IMHO, it's miles better than Rangeela ever was. Naach represents an accurate depiction of today's youth and their relationships with the opposite sex.

I suppose Anurag was also behind RGV's well recieved telugu films as well.

I haven't seen Black Friday. Thus, I can't comment. It's just that I'm against watching potentially good films on craptacular DVD's. This is the reason I haven't watched Company/Kaun/Shool/AbTakChappan/Etc..

I'm not going to put down Anurag by any means. But the day I catch Black Friday, the day I'm going to come back here to rant or praise Anurag.



Isn't that what producers are supposed to do?!?!? And it shows!


Krishna Vamsi has done well on his own.

I agree with everything else Mola said. I'm a Mola slave





dvdisoil, imho, RGV is the Ilaiyaraaja of films. The most underrated & Unknown. The average cinegoer doesn't know who RGV is. They usually attend to his films due to a natural interest in the film due to trailers etc... Ilaiyaraaja is underrated because he isn't "HIP" HIPPITY HOP HOP BOP BOOP BOOB. He doesn't appeal to the youth of today as he did in the 70's and 80's. He always appealed to me though and will do so damn, I'm listening to Nizhalgal. That reminds me, I need to upload something for ye! I guess Ilaiyaraaja is beyond human comprehension Same way RGV. For example, some folk think the best thing ever to hit tv since tv, LOST is horrible.

Speaking of LOST, writers, producers, directors. I watched some of the extras on the dvd set. Apparently ABC has a "story" but they were stuck on where to take the story. They called up JJ. Abrahms & he had certain ideas where he wanted to take the story, and assigned a writer to work with him, who shared similar views. JJAbrahms, now the producer of the show, directed the 2 episode pilot and brought the world most expensive pilot to life!! Apparently, LOST sucked before JJAbrahms made his entrance. Because of LOST, he is the most sought after producer in hollyweird.

When I watch a movie, I want the entire experience including a great story. Personally I feel that the story comes pretty close to direction in importance.

Presentation matters a lot after you have a basic story to tell. I personally am consused as to how to measure a director's ability and greateness. Do we get the story into the mix or atleast the choice of stories? This and casting are places that are between RGV attaining universal appeal.

By the way Sarkar was appreciated by the critics and the audiences - one of the very few to do that. Here is a summary of the reviews - http://www.allbollywood.com/blwd/html/movie162.shtml. Most seem to have liked it.

May be the lack of people here watching it can be attributed to the weariness of RGV films pr being "slaves to RGV hatredness"

By the way I though Naach was a good film spoiled by the casting Antara Mali and her over the top antics.

antra was meant to be sexy. she was sexy. she still is. ooh laa laaa


there are positive naach reviews as well.

I'm not going to get into the whole RGV thing here, but Black Friday is the best film I have seen since Satya. To call that a mess... I don't know, I guess I'll have to respectfully disagree .

Usually I like RGV-movies very much, so I watched SARKAR, but that was a very mediocre and boring film if you ask me. NAACH is very good film imho. I think Antara Mali was perfect for the role.

definitely agreed, and that was exactly the case w/ ‘james’

it was basically a conventional action story but made w/ much more style and energy, w/ excellent direction, cinematography and fight choreography…



definitely, ‘naach’ is clearly the most honest and personal film ramu has ever made… abt the realities of the film industry(cronyism, casting couch), abt relationships within the film industry(how they come and go w/ success), and abt the struggle to maintain your ideals and not conform to industry standards…

definitely a ramu masterpiece!



ya vamsi was definitely one ramu director who went on to become successful…




agreed, and that is what makes ramu such a great filmmaker

apart from the occasional james-like film, he makes the most complete films in bw - from script, acting, direction, cinematography, score…

ie. love ke liye, company, main madhuri dixit, ek hasina thi, ab tak 56, naach, d, my wife’s murder…

and jag dude, antara was incredible in ‘naach’… if there was a weak point in ‘naach’ then it definitely was abhishek


btw yuvan, have you heard abt antara in ‘shabri’??


Antara Mali as lady don

Ram Gopal Verma will present on screen his second discovery Anatara Mali in the role of a lady don. The movie is presently titled 'Shabri'. The movie will be directed by Lalit Marathe who wrote the story of Verma's horror film 'Bhoot'. It is said that a woman named Jena Bai Daruwali was famous in Mumbai during the eighties. Industry circles wonder if 'Shabri' is inspired the character of Daruwali of eighties. However, the Verma camp denies any such link between his movie and Daruwali.

I still maintain you are a "RGV Slave" . See your Sholay remake thread - your glorification of "how good the movie is going to turn out" before even that casting is done is proof in itself ( along with numerous +ve post on pretty much everything RGV creates) . And in this very thread you pull Terrence Malick's Thin Red Line as "bad" ----> that alone is proof enough that you dont want to give-in and/or let-down your idol RGV and his creation , Thin Red Line is a very very very important film of the 90's and Malick is a "great" director - to even try and snub him down is weak imo . I will leave it to you - you can take the "RGV Slave" as a complimentary term or derogatory term .





As for the Kashyap quote ........, As i said before, comparing one artist to another is really in poor taste and ALI did the same , the only consolation is that films like Satya had both Kashyap and RGV and hence you can "infer" that there was "some" contribution from Kashyap towards the project(s) , but BLACK FRIDAY seems to be a "pure" Kashyap work and to pull that into this discussion esp. the way you did it . is to say the least 'not correct' (esp. given the context of the discussion) - try to pick faults with Kashyap when he worked with RGV not when he has gone his own way .

Personally BLACK FRIDAY is a far more important indian film than anything RGV's factory has churned out in the last 5 years and this weeks Delhi Bomb blast is a testimony to that fact .



This is a joke - so you honestly think Company/Ab Tak Chapan scores over Satya ?? , if that is the case then i feel i am wasting my time here .... , and i will move-on



wow - dont you think this is stretching it ....., i.e your statement that anything that ramu does will be an improvement ??, perhaps history books will tell us "which" SHOLAY will be remembered in indian cinema !

best to judge an artist on solo projects than join projects.


the only reason that Mola Ram thinks Sholay will be better than the original is because RGV has proved to be one of the most versatile and competent film makers. Sarkar is fantastic and every bit as good as the original god father, which is one of my all time fav gangsta films. I was just talking with one of my neighbors who seems to like the film

I've seen at least a dozen of RGV's films, and haven't come across a single film that I don't like. At one point I didn't even know who RGV was. I just happened to like the films, including one which Mola Ram doesn't like...Nagarjuna's telugu film with RGV's dream girl Sri Devi Govinda Govinda. It's a supernatural film with a lot of mythology. I read somewhere (possibly here? jag posting?) that it flopped due to Andhra people's sentiments against the idea of stealing Thirupathi God's crown from a temple or something. hehe. I vaguely remember the film, but I remember I liked it.

If he creates a bad film, I'll be the first to say so. I haven't seen Madhyanam Hatya, but I'm sure it's probably a decent film, although I didn't like JD Chakravathy's first directorial debut(?) with some Nameless film. The movie didn't have a title at the time of release. They had some sort of promtion gimick where they let the audience decide on the movie title after watching the film. It turned out to be a remake of some hollywood film, which then later was remade into Shahrukh's Hindi Baadshah. Neither of those movies were any good, but neither of them had RGV's name attached to em. Point is, MHatya is probably good because RGV produced it

Satya, as good of a movie it is, IMHO is not RGV's best work like everyones makes it seem. It became a success with the critics because it's miles ahead of anything that bollywood created in the 90's. It was a good change from the typical film. A film that I felt went un-noticed that year is Mahesh Bhatt's Zhakm. a great way to end his pathetic career. 3 movies I really liked from that year: Satya, Zakhm, and Dil Se.

What's funny is that Mani Ratnam is very similar to RGV in the sense that the themes of his movies are all the same, but nobody ever rants about him. why is that? Not to put him down, because he is another film maker that I respect, although Yuva is not up to his potential. He supposedly said that he wasn't going to make/direct another hindi film after the box office failiure of Dil Se, what happened? Does he have any Tamil films planned? Possibly with a MD other than Rahman? Doesn't have to be IR, just anyone besides ARR. lol

Now now there's no need for name calling, that’s what the bak bak forum is for This thread seems to have gone off on a tangent.

I would say Mola Ram and me have difference tastes in movies. I would also say RGV is very fortunate to have fans like Mola Ram who are keeping loyal to him and still enjoying his movies. I used to look forward to movies from his camp. After the disappointment that was Company, every other movie from this factory outlet has been somewhat disappointing in some ways and I’ve not enjoyed watching them. I quite like Sarkar but felt that something extra to make it special was missing. The originality wasn’t ever in question just the execution of it. To me Satya wasn’t original either, it was just great homage to the Scarface story told and executed very well (Agneepath did it pretty well before that). Other from the factory I’ve seen are Ab Tak Chappan, D, James, My Wifes Murder, Road and Ek Hasina Thi – apart from Ek Hasina Thi, I didn’t enjoy any of the others, they just seems mish mash of meaningless time pass cinema. Not seen Main Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahti Hoon!, Darna Mana Hai And Naach – yet!

I wasn’t saying that Anurag Kashyap should be credited with the ‘success’ of RGV just that his style or talent is noticeably lacking in later RGV movies which you can see in Black Friday and was somewhat evident in Satya. Then again this only means anything if you value that talent, which Mola Ram doesn’t seem to. Maybe my rant is a bit harsh on RGV but it feels his movies are becoming less enjoyable in recent times, but that’s just personal tastes. If that’s the kind of movies you are enjoying all the better for you.

Ali

Why would you evaluate a film or a director based on current events. Going by the same token wouldnt black friday be the most important film made in India in the last 5 years? Why single out RGV or his factory out? Doesnt it play into the same theme of bringing down someone to praise someone else?

The voice of reason as always. Fully agree with this

dvdisoil dude, you really need to quit w/ this misinformation

once the casting of the film had started, I hated it as much the next guy…
"my excitement for this project has now considerably decreased"
"lal was the only weak part of ‘company’ and now he is thakur"
"amit was good in/as ‘sarkar’, but he is too old to play gabbar"
"this casting is retarded"



first, I have nothing against malick

imo ‘days of heaven’ is the one of the greatest(if not the greatest) film ever made

but what does me saying ‘thin red line’ was bad (which it was, a truly horrible film), have to do w/ rgv??

it seems like you are the one comparing directors now



why this big problem w/ comparing directors?? there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ it



why is ‘black friday’ an important film??
a bad film is a bad is a bad film
and ‘black friday’ imo is a bad film… regardless of the subject matter
anyone can come out tomorrow and make a horrible film abt the 9/11 attacks
are we then supposed to consider it an important film b/c the 9/11 attacks were an important world issue/subject?? definitely not
your logic is flawed dude



oh there is no doubt abt it

and the latter is easily one of the greatest indian films ever made imo

stark, gritty and realistic w/ heavy nietzschean undertones(much like ‘sarkar’) and brilliant dialogues - an overall exceptional mumbai-noir
and performances - nana, yashpal and others were all incredible

if there was ever an indian equivalent to the "french connection", it would definitely be at56

and it obvious that his best works clearly came in the later stage of his career as ramu has clearly evolved as a filmmaker

his earlier films, while still very good and touching on many of the same themes, were clearly still immersed in the bollywood formula…ie. long, overly emotional, too many songs, unnecessary romantic tracks…

they were like a rough draft/prototype of his films to come later




lol dude, there is no doubt that ‘sholay’ is one of the post popular bollywood film ever
as is ‘dilwale dulhania le jayenge’ and ‘hum aapke hain koun’
so what exactly are you trying to prove??

IMHO, RGV of Satya and Rangeela is not RGV of today!! I personally feel, Company was a step down remake from him!

Satya and Rangeela were justt because of GREAT TEAM he had! including, writer, script, actors and composers!

You are shortchanging him here. I am sure the same writer, actor and composer would have failed with a different director. The two films exemplify his abilities more than any others.

I could turn the argument around and say the actors, writer composer let him down in the films that you dont like (I disagree with that but to each his own). I would then turn around and call this argument BS