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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:43 pm 
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ajy1 wrote:
That's interesting, rana. I'm glad that we've figured out that the film prints just aren't consistent. About that No Entry screening, I also noticed that the image was very "digitized," like it was done from a very bad digital intermediate. Did anyone see this with a better image?


I found NO ENTRY print excellent in both theatres where I saw it. Sharp, bright, sparkling.
In one theatre by the end of it's theatrical run (3rd week), vertical streak lines had appeared most of the film. But, this must be faulty projector problem.

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I'm pretty sure that the AMC here has some DD in at least the bigger auditoriums.


At the courtsey desk ask for audio format chart of the films screening at AMC. So far, I have seen three categories, SDDS, DTS and SRD (Dolby Digital will be DD if they have it). SDDS and DTS is obvious. SRD is back-up audio using Dolby format. It is not DD 5.1. It's Front channel only.

When I probed AMC HQ, about whether SRD is DD as they claim it sometimes, they clearly replied that it's digital sound but front channel only and not DD 5.1.


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Gotcha rana. That's a good point, esp. with some of the smaller auditoriums, it really is limited to the 3 front speakers, even if it's in digital sound.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:27 pm 
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I saw this movie in a fantastic DTS theatre in New Delhi - and it had proper Surround with very noticeable Rear sound separation :--)

Some of the reviewers here appear to have seen the movie in non 5.1 theatres.

Just wanted to also add that all recent Yash Raj theatrical releases in India have fabulous 5.1 (Hum Tum, Veer Zaara, Mangal Pandey, Black) with crystal clear sound and very good digital surround. And this quality is preserved in Yash Raj (label) DVDs though the DVDs have only Dolby Digital 5.1 unlike theatrical prints that are also in DTS 5.1.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:03 pm 
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NewDeep wrote:
I saw this movie in a fantastic DTS theatre in New Delhi - and it had proper Surround with very noticeable Rear sound separation :--)

Some of the reviewers here appear to have seen the movie in non 5.1 theatres.

Just wanted to also add that all recent Yash Raj theatrical releases in India have fabulous 5.1 (Hum Tum, Veer Zaara, Mangal Pandey, Black) with crystal clear sound and very good digital surround. And this quality is preserved in Yash Raj (label) DVDs though the DVDs have only Dolby Digital 5.1 unlike theatrical prints that are also in DTS 5.1.


Theatre where I saw it and was shocked to see it in non-DD5.1, is world class THX certified Big screen big sound theatre that has latest DD as well as DTS. After investigation they told me that the print has only Dolby Mono.

May be, they received a DTS print and, as absurd it is, North American Distributors don't send DTS discs. Ask the distributors (including YRF) and they don't even know what DTS is, even though their theatres have DTS and no DD :evil: . Then, it must have played on back-up audio track??
If film has a DTS track, does it mean that it doesn't have a DD track?? Of course, additional backup linear/ optical track is always there.

Salaan Namaste is still playing there. May be, I would confront them again.


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i remember that the place i saw it shown the movie in dd5.1 but the only time i notice a lot of seperation was during the tittle song, and there was eventully the car noise etc... behined us but its not as good as mpkk, no entry, etc...


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 Post subject: Re: New Delhi
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:34 am 
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rana wrote:
NewDeep wrote:
I saw this movie in a fantastic DTS theatre in New Delhi - and it had proper Surround with very noticeable Rear sound separation :--)

Some of the reviewers here appear to have seen the movie in non 5.1 theatres.

Just wanted to also add that all recent Yash Raj theatrical releases in India have fabulous 5.1 (Hum Tum, Veer Zaara, Mangal Pandey, Black) with crystal clear sound and very good digital surround. And this quality is preserved in Yash Raj (label) DVDs though the DVDs have only Dolby Digital 5.1 unlike theatrical prints that are also in DTS 5.1.


Theatre where I saw it and was shocked to see it in non-DD5.1, is world class THX certified Big screen big sound theatre that has latest DD as well as DTS. After investigation they told me that the print has only Dolby Mono.

May be, they received a DTS print and, as absurd it is, North American Distributors don't send DTS discs. Ask the distributors (including YRF) and they don't even know what DTS is, even though their theatres have DTS and no DD :evil: . Then, it must have played on back-up audio track??
If film has a DTS track, does it mean that it doesn't have a DD track?? Of course, additional backup linear/ optical track is always there.

Salaan Namaste is still playing there. May be, I would confront them again .


Did enquire again:-

Theatre manager (technical) told me and showed me that the audio selection is automatic and the theatre is equipped with DD, DD-EX, SRD, DTS, Back-up (But no SDDS in this # 12 theatre). All films are fed the same way and through all the readers.
Then he showed me the film print boxes which indicate audio format. Film leads had clearly and unmistakenly marked Dolby Stereo, SRD, DTS (but no DTS disc was supplied; it's never sent so far in case of Hindi films). No DD or DD-EX.

This is consistent with what I observed from this film print screening. Dolby SRD that is front channel only. Left, Right and Centre. LRC directional separation was clear.

Now the question is, why did they not put DD or DD-EX code on it??


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 Post subject: Re: New Delhi
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:57 am 
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rana wrote:
rana wrote:
NewDeep wrote:
I saw this movie in a fantastic DTS theatre in New Delhi - and it had proper Surround with very noticeable Rear sound separation :--)

Some of the reviewers here appear to have seen the movie in non 5.1 theatres.

Just wanted to also add that all recent Yash Raj theatrical releases in India have fabulous 5.1 (Hum Tum, Veer Zaara, Mangal Pandey, Black) with crystal clear sound and very good digital surround. And this quality is preserved in Yash Raj (label) DVDs though the DVDs have only Dolby Digital 5.1 unlike theatrical prints that are also in DTS 5.1.


Theatre where I saw it and was shocked to see it in non-DD5.1, is world class THX certified Big screen big sound theatre that has latest DD as well as DTS. After investigation they told me that the print has only Dolby Mono.

May be, they received a DTS print and, as absurd it is, North American Distributors don't send DTS discs. Ask the distributors (including YRF) and they don't even know what DTS is, even though their theatres have DTS and no DD :evil: . Then, it must have played on back-up audio track??
If film has a DTS track, does it mean that it doesn't have a DD track?? Of course, additional backup linear/ optical track is always there.

Salaan Namaste is still playing there. May be, I would confront them again .


Did enquire again:-

Theatre manager (technical) told me and showed me that the audio selection is automatic and the theatre is equipped with DD, DD-EX, SRD, DTS, Back-up (But no SDDS in this # 12 theatre). All films are fed the same way and through all the readers.
Then he showed me the film print boxes which indicate audio format. Film leads had clearly and unmistakenly marked Dolby Stereo, SRD, DTS (but no DTS disc was supplied; it's never sent so far in case of Hindi films). No DD or DD-EX.

This is consistent with what I observed from this film print screening. Dolby SRD that is front channel only. Left, Right and Centre. LRC directional separation was clear.

Now the question is, why did they not put DD or DD-EX code on it??


BEATS ME RANA!! YRF MAHA CROOKS!!I HATE THEIR PRACTICES!! :twisted:


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 Post subject: dts and DD prints
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:32 am 
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Sometimes, some prints or movies are exclusively dts and others are exclusively DD. What probably happened in Rana's theatre is that they played the SRD because they could not play DTS (without the DTS disc) and because this print was exclusive of DD...

In the theatre I saw the movie, the posters of SN mentioned only DTS. There was no mention at all of DD.

BTW, Waterworld theatrical prints (the Kevin Costener movie) never had DD on them... they only had DTS and Dolby Surround. This may be a similar case.

What we need to do is check the end credits again to see whether they say DD or Dolby Surround etc.


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 Post subject: Re: dts and DD prints
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:02 am 
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NewDeep wrote:
BTW, Waterworld theatrical prints (the Kevin Costener movie) never had DD on them... they only had DTS and Dolby Surround. This may be a similar case.


Around 94-95 Universal was probably trying to promote DTS exclusively, since they had some vested interest in it.


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That's strange. Mine was definitely DD-EX, both advertised in the movie theatre guide and from listening, there are obvious rear directional surrounds. In fact, the sound mix was very active, really on par or better than many American flicks. That is strange why there would be a difference btwn. DD and DD-EX on the film prints.


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 Post subject: DD DTS
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:59 pm 
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ajy1 wrote:
That's strange. Mine was definitely DD-EX, both advertised in the movie theatre guide and from listening, there are obvious rear directional surrounds. In fact, the sound mix was very active, really on par or better than many American flicks. That is strange why there would be a difference btwn. DD and DD-EX on the film prints.


Quite possible that different prints have different audio options... Yours had DD-EX and the theatre played it right. Rana's theatre had DTS but no DTS disc, so they played SRD. Where I saw had a DTS print and they played it correctly...


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