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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:55 am 
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The most flabbergasting thing about this list is L.O.C. - Anyone in there right mind who paid close attention to this 4 hours of intellect torment would know that this was clearly one of the most dangerous film ever seen from Bollywood. It's dialogues advocate that the theory of WAR is good. J.P. Dutta must have used many obstinate Hollywood war dramas as a back bench tool to help him make this peace of shit. The only list L.O.C should ever make is on the WORST films ever made in India.

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this was clearly one of the most dangerous film ever seen from Bollywood. It's dialogues advocate that the theory of WAR is good.


Yes I'd agree that it was pretty dangerous to be showing that stuff but I rather they shown it, than not. Even though it's atouchy subject, nobody died over it and there were no riots over it. War is the only option in a certain situation and is always best avoided but in the case of Kargil war, someone learn't something! The problem is Indian audiences are too immature and will start fights over a film!

In a war you have 2 sides who HATE each other and that is what was shown in the film, which was far better than showing the Pakistan-India "Kiss-ass" type of mentality that is in at the moment. If you're gonna make a war film you gotta show the hate the two countries have for each other as I'm sure both soldiers on both sides hate each other! What was stupid was Sanjay Dutt's dialogue at the end saying "They're humans too". I know this was to pacify the audiences, but it was so unrealistic that a soldier would say that! Especially coming after all that abuse the Pak side got - the Indian got the odd "Kafir!" from Pak, plus that remark about Madhuri Dixit.

The thing I didn't like is that it was cheesy and reminded me of that Hollywood film 'Pearl Harbour', but then again the vast majority of trash to come out of the Indian film Industry are pure cheese-fests that insult the intelligence of most people.

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Yes I'd agree that it was pretty dangerous to be showing that stuff but I rather they shown it, than not. Even though it's atouchy subject, nobody died over it and there were no riots over it. War is the only option in a certain situation and is always best avoided but in the case of Kargil war, someone learn't something! The problem is Indian audiences are too immature and will start fights over a film!

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The thing I didn't like is that it was cheesy and reminded me of that Hollywood film 'Pearl Harbour', but then again the vast majority of trash to come out of the Indian film Industry are pure cheese-fests that insult the intelligence of most people.

Burn Bollywood Burn! :twisted:


With me, personally, I infinitely prefer enjoyably bad, aesthetically blah, but ultimately totally harmless movies over films that might boast star merit but are offensive on a level that matters far more than mere "cheese-fests". If I name my *BEST* films as those that truly move me or make me think, than it's only natural that my *WORST* would be those that truly offend me.

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DVD Collector wrote:
With me, personally, I infinitely prefer enjoyably bad, aesthetically blah, but ultimately totally harmless movies over films that might boast star merit but are offensive on a level that matters far more than mere "cheese-fests".


I think they can both be bad and I can't prefer either one, but India has had such a long time making movies they should only be making decent films by now. There's no excuse to be making cheese-fests, It's like they've learnt very little, esp since they were gonna send Andaaz for oscar nomination!


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Here's my list of [url]BIG BUDGET BOMB'S[/url]:

1) Premji's Imman Dharam,combined talents of Sanjeev Kumar,Helen
Shashi Kapoor,Amitabh,Rekha & Salim-Javed couldn't save this turkey. Original 180 minutes original version was trimmed to 150 but turkey is a turkey.

2) Raj Kapoor's Mera Naam Joker, One of all time big bomb's.

3) Mehboob's Son Of India was a nail in his coffin.

4) Ramanand Sagar's Lalkar with Mala Sinha,Dharmendra,Rajendra Kumar,failed attempt to bring WWII drama to Bollywood, from start to finish it really sucked. On the DVD jewel box it's listed as being a big hit, all lies, it's really bad.

5) Manoj Kumar's Clerk, by this time he was drained of all creative juices.

6) B.R.Chopra's Dastaan with Dilip Kumar & Sharmila, a milestone in bad film making.

7) Joy Mukerjee's Humsaya with Mala Sinha & Sharmila, it's reported to be one of the costliest movie made during 1967-68 period but nothing could save this disaster, now remembered for classic O.P.Nayyar tunes, a great preformace by Mala, those infamous catfights between Mala & Sharmila and forced Joy to sell everything and one time A list star was reduced to doing D grade movies.

8) H.S.Rawail's Sunghursh with Dilip Kumar,Vyjanthimala & Sanjvee, after this bomb in 1968 Rawal next hit was not until 1976's Laila Majnu.

9) Dilip Kumar's Dil Diya Dard Liya with Waheeda & Pran, this take on Whuthering Heights was given a big thumps down was moviegoers.

10) O.P.Ralhan's Hulchul with Zeenat,Kabir,Helen & his following disaters Paapi with Sunil Dutt,Reena Roy,Sanjeev & Zeenat and Bandhe Haath with Amitabh & Mumtaz finally send Ralhan packing.

11) Anything by Devanand list is too long Heera Panna, Prem Pujari, Loot Maar, Ishq Ishq Ishq, Return of Jewel thieg and on and on.

12) Silsila with Amitabh,Jaya,Sanjeev & Rekha, great talent couldn't fool moviegoer's.

13) Sacchai with Shammi Kapoor,Sadhana,Sanjeev,Helen,Pran this one's budget from South India could have produced 2-3 movies, really really bad it's reported the producers spent at 10% of movie's budget on a really bad dance sequence with Shammi & Helen.

I'm gonna stop now.

*Just a note, The film maker's of all these bombs thought they were making great ground breaking films but it boy they were so wrong.


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As a fan of Ratnam's films...Dil Se really didn't stand up to the rest of movies. The jarring narrative, especially in the first half....was a major issue with the movie. Perhaps it was a case of too many themes crammed into one movie. Granted, it looked good, it had great music, but as someone else said in this thread, the sum of these parts didn't add up to a good movie, when the framework (script) was such a mess. I pray his second hindi effort, Yuva, is far better.


Add Nasir Hussain's "Zamane Ko Dikhana Hai" to the list of mega flops. How a movie with music that good be a movie that bad is beyond me. Mind you, Yaadon Ki Baraat was poorly made too....given the amazing music RDB scored from that film.

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