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 Post subject: Hindi Movies in DTS
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:19 am 
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Hey guys here is an interesting articles of the movies released in DTS, but the sad part is none of them was ever released in the same format.
http://www.real-image.com/dts/010002.asp#top
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Zoran009
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:03 pm 
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What the heck, DTS or not, THERE IS NEVER A PRINT SENT OUT WITH DTS DISC..a GIMMICK..Shit!!

On DVD..DD/DTS is another sour thumb, first low bit, DTS and Then with the 3-4 hr length of the movie, trying to cramp extrs, features, MAHA SHIt DVDS too..I dont buy this DTS shit from HINDI MOVIES any more! :angry: :keh: :baaa: :stupid: :bangbang: :ffs:



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:54 pm 
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Arsh bhai,
Maine kaha ki yeh sab movies DTS format mein theatre mein release hui thi, but they were never ever released in the same format in dvds. what a shame for the bollywoods, they still are living in an era which is 20 yrs behind hollywood. Is any director/dvd manufacture listening?
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Zoran009
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:13 pm 
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Maen ne bhi yahi kaha, they had DTS prints, that were never even given a chance to be seen in the theatre, not even overseas, so whats the fun to make a film in DTS!

DVDs r FAR FETCHED issue!! They cant make GOOD VIDEO, DTS or NOT!! ???? :bangbang:
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rana
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:23 pm 
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Despite being a superior system and having starting before DD 5.1, it has lost out to a much bigger Giant Dolby and Sony (SDDS). Not in quality, but in demand.

In India they use DTS not for superior sound, but for economy. Same print with different CDs for different languages.

BTW, the DTS link mentioned above by 'enjoy' confirms KHAKEE not being in DTS.

Rana



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spike86
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rana wrote:
Despite being a superior system and having starting before DD 5.1, it has lost out to a much bigger joint Dolby and Sony (SDDS). Not in quality, but in demand.

I thought DD came first. Anyway last I heard SDDS is the one tanking due to techinical malfunctions and lack of support. I also read some where that sony has no plans to come out with a new version of SDDS anytime soon due to poor sales.
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rana
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:48 pm 
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DTS arrived with Jurassic Park. Dolby Digital, I think came later to catch up with DTS.

Sony competed much later. It has lots of support from themselves as Sony owns Columbia. Also, AMC theatres in Canada USA have SDDS as default audio system (some theatres have DTS). NO DOLBY DIGITAL. So beware any Indian film playing at AMC, you don't get DD, you just get back-up Dolby SRD which is Digital but only front channels.

Rana
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congress
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 8:48 am 
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SDDS is a far more superior system than DTS and DD. Unfortunately DD is not even close to DTS or SDDS but is the most popular choice. DTS is popular in India because of good marketing by Real Image. Theatres owners started to convert to DTS early compared to DD which came later.

Arsh, it is not true that DTS films are not shown at theaters. In India most films are played in DTS and DD. I have never seen a film that is not unless it is in a cheapo theatre. Usually the foreign theatres get a cheaper mono print or just forget to insert the cd-rom. That is the theatre and audience fault, if the viewer decides to sit through the film then nothing much can be done.
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Aryan
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rana wrote:
DTS arrived with Jurassic Park. Dolby Digital, I think came later to catch up with DTS.

Sony competed much later. It has lots of support from themselves as Sony owns Columbia. Also, AMC theatres in Canada USA have SDDS as default audio system (some theatres have DTS). NO DOLBY DIGITAL. So beware any Indian film playing at AMC, you don't get DD, you just get back-up Dolby SRD which is Digital but only front channels.

Rana

Rana, here are a few corrections to your post:

Dolby Digital (Batman Returns, 1992) is an older system than DTS (Jurassic Park, 1993) - it's just that it came in India later than DTS. Dolby Stereo (Spectral Recording and Dolby A) had arrived in India (in Hindi films) long before DTS.

Also, when a Dolby Digital film is played back in a hall without a DD reader, it doesn't play the front channels in digital. I don't know where you got the idea. The system reads the optical analogue Dolby SR information and plays the film in either mono, stereo or 4-channel analogue Dolby Stereo (the most common).

Dolby Stereo SR is an analogue surround system despite the name. SRD is not a standard term, just a confusing abbreviation by some theatres for 'surround'.



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 2:18 pm 
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There's one DTS film that has been released on dvd except it is encoded as DD 5.1,Dil Se by DEi. Although the sound is distorted :p
I'm sure there's more. DVD makers can't always get their hands on DD prints. I'm sure DTS prints have been converted to DD based dvds.
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DragunR2
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A film having DTS at the theater has no bearing on the DVD sound format. The sound comes from a separate master not the print itself, doesn't it? Except if it is an old film and they use the optical track.

Are the optical tracks on Indian films stereo or mono? It always sounds like mono whenever I see such a presentation at the theater.
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Zoran009
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DTS on hindi/tamil DVDs is MUTE point imho..they should give us, PROG transfered video, with good DD 5.1, ANAMORPHIC ENHANCE(true), with lasting DVD media, at least at REASONABLE PRICE! :baaa:

I dont thinking, I am asking TOO MUCH!

Extras or Not, I dont care!! :baaa:



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DragunR2
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arsh wrote:
DTS on hindi/tamil DVDs is MUTE point imho..they should give us, PROG transfered video, with good DD 5.1, ANAMORPHIC ENHANCE(true), with lasting DVD media, at least at REASONABLE PRICE! :baaa:

I dont thinking, I am asking TOO MUCH!

Extras or Not, I dont care!! :baaa:

I agree. What good is a DTS track on most Indian DVDs? First let's get some acceptable quality video, then worry about icing like DTS.
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Aryan
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:42 am 
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DragunR2 wrote:
A film having DTS at the theater has no bearing on the DVD sound format. The sound comes from a separate master not the print itself, doesn't it? Except if it is an old film and they use the optical track.

Are the optical tracks on Indian films stereo or mono? It always sounds like mono whenever I see such a presentation at the theater.

Considering that prints are used to transfer the picture, I would expect that the masters are not used for the sound either. Also, a Dolby mix for a film may be differ significantly from the DTS as seperate sound designers may be employed for both. Even if a master was used, it would be interesting to know if it is the DTS or Dolby master.

The optical tracks may be optical stereo or mono depending on your luck and the number of stereo prints released by the producers. It also depends if the theater has optical stereo capabilities. One hall in Singapore for example has DTS but no optical stereo reader. As such, depending on your luck, you either get a great DTS presentation or a mono one.
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DragunR2
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monizam wrote:
i had raised the question before about paying to restore films but no one wants to start paying -Just want to whine...

It costs millions of dollars.
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