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rana
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:47 pm 
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What do you think is the reason for VHS or VHS masters to DVD transfers and for PAL to NTSC and then to NTSC DVD transfers??

I got some hints from the fee structure as posted on Super Digital site. I'm sure the same kind of fee structure is used by all labs.

Basic rate for converting video (2 hour) to DVD is aprox $ 100 where as Film to DVD is aprox $ 1500. Film to DVD transfer involves Tele-cine.

Now the reason for Video to DVD transfers becomes obvious.
There are tons of video masters and their nth generation VHS copies floating around everywhere. As the tele-cine transfer cost has been taken care of at the time of VHS making, it costs only a few hundred dollars for convertring it to DVD. The VHS may already be a 10th generation copy, but it can be converted to a DVD for about $ 100 or so. Calling it a DVD is a crime, but they get away with it.

On the other hand, making a DVD from film costs print cost, clean-up/ fix-up cost plus tele-cine cost. This, totalling orders of magnitude more than criminal video to DVD transfers. This may cost more, but at least you get a DVD not a nth generation video on a DVD.
Another issue comes up. To save money, Tele-cine often is done in India (cheap labour), implying PAL cine tel. Nothing wrong with it as long as the DVD is PAL as well. But, not enough market for Indian PAL DVDs. So, to save money, they get a cheaper cine-tel (not necessarily inferior) in PAL and then convert PAL to NTSC (another $ 50 or so) or just field average and, Bingo, you get a NTSC DVD that can be passed on as DVD but to Indians only. Knowledgeable people will never go for it.

To save money, they could be tele-cine converting in India, but they could do tele-cine in NTSC or HD. A few films are done this way (Shemaroo's Subhash Ghai collrction and a few others) and the results are obvious.

Rana

P.S.
Ali/ Urbanlegend,
Sorry it got posted in 'General' forum, where as I intended to post it in 'Movie and Box Office' forum. You decide where is this discussion more appropriate and move this thread accordingly. Thanks.



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Zoran009
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Rana,this might be off topic? What is involved to reconvert a letter box transfer to anamorphic?

The way SD did DTPH and KKHH!!
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arsh wrote:
Rana,this might be off topic? What is involved to reconvert a letter box transfer to anamorphic?

The way SD did DTPH and KKHH!!

It'll be a lenghthy reply, as there are a lots of scenarios. So, leave that for some other time.

As far as KKHH is concerned, it's debatable whether anamorphic KKHH was any better than it's letterboxed original release. Both were Progressive. I found the original letterboxed edition better. Obviously, a copy of original can't be better than original, even if copy is in High Def.

Anamorphic DTPH was a lot better than letterboxed edition. But, letterboxed edition was interlaced and the anamorphic version was progressive. I guess, the improvement was due to new progressive encoding.

Rana



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In other words, it's all about the Benjamins.

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rana wrote:
To save money, they could be tele-cine converting in India, but they could do tele-cine in NTSC or HD. A few films are done this way (Shemaroo's Subhash Ghai collrction and a few others) and the results are obvious.

There is a Yaadein from Shemaroo with correct progressive
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rana
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DragunR2 wrote:
In other words, it's all about the Benjamins.

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Then, what about the cost of the rights, Film print, etc or they get all this for a jiffy??

Rana

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mhafner, I got Shemaroo Yaadein last week. I'll check it tonite.
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rana wrote:
Then, what about the cost of the rights, Film print, etc or they get all this for a jiffy??

For many of these DVDs, the only time film was involved was when the VHS master was made years ago. And it seems that sometimes companies don't even bother to get official rights, such as with the Eros/AVM titles or SKY's Teesri Manzil (or was it Teesri Kasam?)



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rana
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mhafner wrote:
rana wrote:
To save money, they could be tele-cine converting in India, but they could do tele-cine in NTSC or HD. A few films are done this way (Shemaroo's Subhash Ghai collrction and a few others) and the results are obvious.

There is a Yaadein from Shemaroo with correct progressive
picture??

Shemaroo Yaadein is similar to other DVDs from Shemaroo Ghai collection. It does have 2-3 pull down if compring pixel by pixel. Encoding doesn’t contain the ‘repeat field’ instruction like DEI and Hollywood DVDs. Every 5th field that’s repeated has been re-recorded instead. Roughly 25% of Shemaroo DVDs are like this, NTSC Tele-cine encoded in NTSC Video mode (Noise, including chroma lag, in repeat field varies in different DVDs and may affect 2-3 pull down detection).

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It is definately BETTER looking than Tips, with same AR/framing



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