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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:49 pm 
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Coming back to Angoor DVD,

ARSH, your bleaching just reminded me of Super Digital authored DVDs as they use beta tape as the source. I guess Angoor source is also from that group.

I dont understand why all the comparisons by respected author is with the pirate release by GVI. Where the comparison should be someone like DEI (wellknown, popular). Or the atleast Eros, Video Sound, etc. There is absolutely no excuse that can be presented for such a poor DVD other than blunt ignorance. As mentioned by respected zulmis earlier, DEI have released many DVDs that were even older than Angoor in an appealing form. So it is possible for Angoor to receive justice!


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just reminds me of recent song"' Chori pe cori, ek tou chori aur seena zori, tauba tauba tauba, yaar meri tauba"" ha ha!!


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I think arguing abt the color of a DVD print is arguing on the wrong front. As it has been demonstrated...the color did improve significantly when the display mode was changed to Vivid...
I dont think this should be a problem to that extent that we should be careful how we modfiy our well defined settings for viewing a picture on our Television sets...

There was a comment made abt the wasteful expenditure in procuring the source of this DVD....
I feel Kshitij & or Indiaweekly should have gone the extra mile in procuring the original film in a negative format (as The last info I got from Sandish was that this film was lyinng in a junk status in some archives in India)...
I am positive that DEI always did their mastering after transferring the film from its negative and made a positive here in their labs in the USA....
That cannot be said abt Angoor as it had already been screwed up in India, due to its Digibeta transfer !

*** Kshitij You listening ? ***


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Well at this point, i will request ali to change title on this thread!! KHATTE KE KHATTE ANGOOR R HERE!!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:33 pm 
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I am not hurrying to condemn this DVD yet. So far, the screen caps from this DVD are at least better than the previously available DVD. Hopefully I will receive my copy in a day or two. If the colors can be made more lively by adjusting the TV settings, has semi-decent sharpness and detail and if it turns out to be Pseudo-progressive, it will be fine with me.

Actually it’s not bad for a first try. We must acknowledge that the author of this DVD at least is listening and willing to improve. I remember, Kshitij asking for info on Progressive stuff. I pointed him to zulm’s Faroudja thread, but I know he wanted more specific printout that I never provided. I didn’t know at the time that his enquiry was with respect to DVD authoring. CanadaFlix may not get an “A” for results, but they deserve an A+ for effort and willingness. Which other DVD author has taken time to explain us what he did or did not do??

Let it be constructive criticism and we will have a chance to implement our wishes for the next DVD that Canadaflix authors.

Rana




Edited By rana on 1038260075


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:49 pm 
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Apka khyal sar aankhon par!! but comparing any dvd improved upon its pirated counterparts is not a valid comparison, if so then devdas was a great dvd toooo...


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Hi Kshitij.... I just wanted to bring this to your notice.. Take a look at this picture
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Read the info in the picture....
This scenario would be the only case in which you can get the best print out of Angoor.....

I am sure you may go for a second shot at this DVd.. If you do then please try and get the original film negative... and then do all the telecine here in North America itself....

Cheerz


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 12:35 pm 
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Canadaflix wrote:
However we went back and got another high quality Digital tape made from the original film source in India (a very painful and expensive process). This one was then transfered using very expensive Vector Based equipment to NTSC and using high quality encoders to MPEG-2, in order to maintain the quality to be the same as you would see on the Film source.

More Later

Kshitij Kumar.

Hi,
I'm afraid that already tells me that this DVD will look
ok at best. Transfering to PAL in India and then converting
to NTSC is a Pandora's box. If it's done state of the art
it will give good results but not better than going to NTSC
directly. The way it's done for this DVD with high
probability will ruin motion rendition and make pictures
too fuzzy.
How was the PAL transfer and conversion to NTSC done?
Is the PAL transfer with 4% speed up or with 2 additional
fields per second? If the latter the damage is done and
irreparable. Are the PAL fields mapped to NTSC with a
correct 2:3 pulldown or with field averging? If the latter
the motion rendition is further degraded. Progessive
playback is impossible.
There are no good technical reasons to make NTSC DVDs from
PAL transfers.
Please if you are serious about quality NTSC DVDs make
a direct transfer to NTSC on a quality telecine and forget
about PAL in between. Transfer with a correct 2:3 pulldown,
don't use noise reduction and don't use edge enhancement
and compress with a quality MPEG encoder at high bit rate.
Then your DVD will loke close to the film element
and not like an artifcat ridden film-video b***** like >
95% of all Indian DVDs.
Michel Hafner


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Michel, could you please clarify one more thing.

Is there anything wrong with a very high bit rate (9 Mbps or even higher) if it can be accomodated on the disc space available. Does it cause any problems for playing DVD movies on Lap Tops or on some older PCs with DVD drive??

Rana


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 5:07 pm 
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rana wrote:
Michel, could you please clarify one more thing.

Is there anything wrong with a very high bit rate (9 Mbps or even higher) if it can be accomodated on the disc space available. Does it cause any problems for playing DVD movies on Lap Tops or on some older PCs with DVD drive??

Rana

As far as I know it can cause problems with software players
that don't have a fast enough CPU to run on and on old players that don't fully stick to the DVD standard. But
why dumb down the DVDs for cases not compatible with the
standard?
Anyway, 7 or 9 MBit is pretty much the same with a high
quality encoder. After 5-6 Mbits the difference becomes
small (but visible to the trained eye upto ~15 Mbit/s with
difficult material). 3-4 Mbit/s from Sony is better than 9
Mbit/s from a low quality encoder.
Michel


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Review up;

http://www.zulm.net/modules....thold=0

Ali


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Hmmmmmmm, a free surprise DVD with Angoor.......did anyone get this?

http://216.247.121.93/datacar....Id=4998


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ali wrote:

So is it jerky because of the PAL origin? Averaged fields?
cheers
Michel


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Unt ke gale maan billi...hmm, still not worth it!!


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Yeh!

Ali :bash:


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