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Ali

The length of this 1971 print of this film is 4300 meter, which comes to 161 minutes.
If I am not mistaken, this DVD of the film is not sped up. I have seen a lot of rips of the songs of this film, and they seem to run at film speed.
Could this indicate that this was a pseudo-progressive DVD?

The film has melodious songs. Typical of Salil Chowdhury compositions, all the songs have interludes and/or intros with the sound of the flute. Tasveer Teri Dil Mein, Ja Re Ud Ja Re Panchhi, Phir Ek Baar Kaho; are examples of this kind of compositions.

The most popular song from the film is "Koi Sone Ke Dil Wala" by Rafi. To me, the most soulful numbers have to be the songs rendered by Dwijen Mukhopadhyay and Lata Mangeshkar; Aye Dil Kahan Teri Manzil. Two solo versions comprise of voices of the respective singers. Salil Chowdhury used to harmonize his tunes like no one else!

The film, I have not seen. As far as I know, the story is the same is much more celebrated film "Asli Naqli". Both these films star Dev Anand, and both of them have great tunes. I prefer the songs of Maya, although the others like Asli Naqli better.

Ragz, you said 4300 meters while you meant 4430 meters, as is on 1971 film CC and it comes to 161.5 min. Great that you got the full film at 161 min.

My copy is CAPTAIN DVD and it runs for 145 min only. I did not check if it's 4% speed up or not, but most likely it is speed up, that makes it 151 min film on Captain DVD (at least 10 min missing).

Thank you for correcting me. I did mean to write 4430 meters. I don't have any DVD of the film but I have seen rips of the film.
Here are two versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z0yLDD ... l=MovieHub


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SR3hub ... el=Rajshri


Based on my knowlegde, and a comparison between vinyl rips and CD versions of the songs, the two versions do not seem to have any PAL speedup.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXifJxLQMEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4iMHlNA3ic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD0yJiiLXxQ
Here are rips from the Captain DVD (??) which sound to me like they haven't been sped up. So it is likely that 145 minutes runtime on the Captain DVD is a further truncated one than the Rajshri & "Movie Hub" posting.

1) 100 min on Rajshree youtube version is 102 min on Captain DVD2)
2) Captain DVD has 7 min missing: Dev Annand gets bashed up by locals after Father's visit to Mala Sinha and Dev version song Aye Dil Kahan Teri Manzil.

This much counts for 145 min Captain DVD plus 7 min missing so far in Captain DVD = 152 min.


Phir Ek Baar Kaho song:
https://www.hindigeetmala.net/song/phir ... e_kaho.htm
(video runs for 2 min)
one stanza of three, missing in Rajshree version as well as in Captain DVD (as compared to lyrics posted in the same link). Assume 1 min.

153 min, assuming 4% speed-up gives 159 min film time.

Ragz, you said, no 4% speed shift but I think, the videos are speed shifted ??.

Consider the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXifJxLQMEU

Song 'Tasveer Teri Dil Mein' Captain youtube:

Pause at Time 2:41 1st frame.
Use Click . (dot) for step forward, , (coma) for step backward (in this video one step is one frame)
At this sequence there is clear and distinct (no fuzziness) motion between all frames.
You notice exact 25 frames in 1 sec. Film was shot at 24 frames per sec. So, it must be 4% speed up.

At 3:35 of same video (captain youtube), Dev's finger movement is is distinct frame forward (25 fps Progressive) where as in Captain DVD, it's mixed up, shades of double pic, picture catch up etc indicating field averaging. As I noticed in many youtube videos from India, youtube video seems to be from the original PAL video.

Thanks a lot for the detailed analysis. I didn't mean to doubt your insight but I had grossly overestimated the DVD and CD industry of India to be consistent with their offerings. I can now place the distorted pitch in the video sources of Maya in my mind. Looks like I'll have to make changes to the songs from the film that are in my library.

I just try to trace film frames if available (in field averaged video, distinct frames are lost). If the vdeo shows 24 fps, it's original speed. If it's 25, then it must be 4% speed-up. Sometimes, this trick does not work, as we have noticed in some videos.

You mentioned PITCH DISTORTION. Wow! you can notice pitch variation ?? I can't. BTW, nothing new where many old films' new audio albums are sourced from Film or from video. Recall, HMV had monopoly for a very long time and they lost many/ all original recordings in a major fire, many years ago.

In the days of VHS, we got used to songs/ music that was on video. Often, when I listened to the same song on vinyl or CD, it sounded slow and I didn't like it as I was used to what was in the video.

Sometimes I can, sometimes I cannot! I always prefer comparisons of a film source with an CD/Vinyl source. Obviously, when both sources are flawed; as in the case of Maya, it becomes difficult and I do end up coming to wrong conclusions. If you listen to Tasveer Teri Dil Mein on your Captain DVD, you could notice how stretched Rafi's voice sounds. I did not make out until I read your posting about the frame pattern.

Maybe you would agree, now, that songs of yore sound most elegant at their film speed. I wholeheartedly think so!