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Shahran Sunny Audit
PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2003 7:08 pm 
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I am currently in pre-production (planning) my next student film for my university course and I am stuck on deciding wot format to use?

I am trying to go for a grainy and high contrast look for the next film. My tutor told me that I can either 1) Shoot it in 16mm but this will mean high costs in negative processing and much more time consuming work like editing, or I can 2) Shoot the film in digibeta then do some grading and colour correction work to make the film grainy and alter its contrast.

The story of the film is essential about a young teenage British-Pakistani girl who pretends to be a Hindu Bramin inorder to date her dream boy at school. I want to use the grain to reflect on her lifestyle which visually highlights living under the poverty line in UK (Similar to Ken Loach's excellent films Kes & Raining Stones).

Dunno wots the best option? Cost is not a problem. But If I work with 16mm then I cannot shoot two major dream sequnces which I require to be bold in colour and without grain. I want to shoot them in the best quality possible. The scenes are 1) When the girl dreams of the boy in a Lollywood/Punjabi 80's style film and 2) When the girl's Muslim mother dreams of her child being in a Mahabharat episode.

Is their a way I can work with both 16mm for the film and with digibeta for the dream sequnces? And if I transfer the final footage from 16mm onto digibeta would it look good?

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Sunny
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AmericanBiwi
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Hi Sunny-

I'm also a film student (part time) and in post production on a short film project. Here is my opinion on your problem.

I would shoot the main section of the film on digibeta and do the dream sequences on film if possible. Then you could get the grainy look you want for most of the film. And the dream sequences would be sharp and have a very different, more "movie fantasy" look. I actually think you'd get more of the effect you want if you did it this way and then transferred the digibeta to 16mm for your final result.

But another consideration is the final format you want for the film. Do you want to show it in video form or in 16mm? You can go either way, but if you're entering it in film festivals keep in mind that some of them will only except entries in film format. But if for some reason you really want it in video, there are still lots of venues for it (although I know more about the festivals here in the states than in the UK - it may be different there).

Hope this helps - but I wouldn't worry about it much - these things usually find their own solution!

Jennie
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mhafner
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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
I am currently in pre-production (planning) my next student film for my university course and I am stuck on deciding wot format to use?

I am trying to go for a grainy and high contrast look for the next film. My tutor told me that I can either 1) Shoot it in 16mm but this will mean high costs in negative processing and much more time consuming work like editing, or I can 2) Shoot the film in digibeta then do some grading and colour correction work to make the film grainy and alter its contrast.

The story of the film is essential about a young teenage British-Pakistani girl who pretends to be a Hindu Bramin inorder to date her dream boy at school. I want to use the grain to reflect on her lifestyle which visually highlights living under the poverty line in UK (Similar to Ken Loach's excellent films Kes & Raining Stones).

Dunno wots the best option? Cost is not a problem. But If I work with 16mm then I cannot shoot two major dream sequnces which I require to be bold in colour and without grain. I want to shoot them in the best quality possible. The scenes are 1) When the girl dreams of the boy in a Lollywood/Punjabi 80's style film and 2) When the girl's Muslim mother dreams of her child being in a Mahabharat episode.

Is their a way I can work with both 16mm for the film and with digibeta for the dream sequnces? And if I transfer the final footage from 16mm onto digibeta would it look good?

Regards,
Sunny

Do you want a film look or a video look? Film look requires
progressive video or excellent deinterlacing afterwards.
It also requires an experienced cameraman to do lighting
film style for video. Highlights and shadow detail are
difficult to get right with video. Do you have video
facilities at your disposal for free? What's the budget?...
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Kishi6406
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I'm not sure wot you should put it on. Why not try to go for the greatest deal. It's a great story, very creative, and innovating. I wish you all the best luck!
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youullu
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i have to echo mhafner's comments on the lighitng issue. Get yourself a progressive capable dvcam(or a vx2000), and a good cinematographer, and you'll go a long way in achieving a film-like look.
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Zoran009
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Man! Sunny, u reminded me of Ashok mehta's Moksha!!

Go ahead and creat a visual masterpiece with dream sequences/flashbacks as done in Moksha! With some dynamic background, and then honor me with a copy to view too!! LOL!!

You do have Moksha dvd now!! h a ha!
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DragunR2
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If you shoot on 16, you will have to keep the shooting ratio low to keep your stock and processing costs down. If you shoot on video, you can pretty much shoot as much as you want. Do not do any "film look" processing if you shoot on video, as this often turns out messy looking

At the film festival I worked on recently, we ran "Diwali," a short student film shot on 35mm, and it looked gorgeous. If you plan on projecting, 16mm will probably look better than Digibeta. But you may have to blow up to 35mm and project or project a video copy, since probably not many places can project 16mm. Sunny, have you posted your question at alt.movies.cinematography or rec.arts.movies.tech? Those would be good places to start. http://www.cinematography.com has a forum.
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Aryan
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I did my final year film project on partly 16mm film and DV. If you can afford it, I'd rather that you go with film all the way. What a lot of people don't realise is that intercutting between film and video isn't just about contrast and colour problems. The way that film creates an illusion of movement is completely different from video and this should be taken into account. For my film, the DV portions were shot in frame mode (emulating film). Unless you are going for a Steven Soderbergh type reality look, I don't think video will work.
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