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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:58 pm 
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Ran a search on my PC and did find this full version (O Mere Sanam) in my hard drive, in MP3 format @ 128 kbps (so not HQ, but good enough), 5 min 42 sec. Total file size is about 5.22 MB I guess it can go as e-mail attachment.
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Lyrics from Sangam Lyrics book (Devnagri script), written in Roman script:
includes corrections, comparison with 1974 version
and with possibly 1964 version



I started composing for this text here and intended it to be shifted to a later post. But I'm leaving it here and only summary will be in that later post, instead.

ali wrote:


Song # 1 Mere Man Ki Ganga Aur Teri Man Ki Jamuna:
(Ref: http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... Ganga.html
YRF DVD and Sangam lyrics book
http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html.)
(Same start point & end point: YRF DVD = 3 min 00 sec = 3 min 07 sec), Smashits = 4 min 18 sec)
This song cut by 1 min 11 sec in 1974 release
[1]
(Mere Man Ki Ganga Aur Tere Man Ki Jamuna Ka
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin)-2
Arre Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
Nahin...Kabhi Nahin, Unh

[2]
Kitni Sadiyan Beet Gayi Hain Hai Tujhe Samjhaane Mein
Mere Jaisa Dheeraj Wala Hai Koi Aur Zamane Mein
Dil Ka Badhta Bojh Kabhi Kam Hoga Ke Nahin
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
Mere Man Ki Ganga Aur Tere Man Ki Jamuna Ka
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
Arre Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
(Next line not in Hindilyrics.com site)
(Laugh), Ja Ja

[3]
(This verse not in 1974 version but included in Hindilyrics.com site and is also at smashits site)
Do Nadiyon Ka Mail Agar Itna Paavan Kehlata Hai
Kyun Na Jahan Do Dil Milte Hain
Swarg Wahan Bus Jaata Hai
Har Mausam Hai Pyar Ka Mausam Hoga Ke Nahin
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
Mere Man Ki Ganga Aur Tere Man Ki Jamuna Ka
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
Arre Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin

(Next line not in 1974 version and is in Hindilyrics site instead of Laugh Ja Ja after verse 2)
Nahin...Nahin...Nahin...Chup/ Hut
(Not sure if it's Chup or Hut that Radha says. Or, may be there are 2 verses one with Chup, another with Hut, not likely though ??)

[4](This verse is in 1974 version but not included in Hindilyrics.com site)
Teri Khatir Main Tadpa Jyon Tarse Dharti Saawan Ko
Radha Radha Ek Rattan Hai Saans Ki Aawan Jaawan Ko
Patthar Pighle Dil Tera Num Hoga Kay Nahin
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Kay Nahin
Mere Man Ki Ganga Aur Tere Man Ki Jamuna Ka
Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin
Arre Bol Radha Bol Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin


Unh, Jaao Na Kyun Satate Ho ...Hoga ...Hoga... Hoga.[/]


Checked Smashits.com and that has complete version as above listed lyrics.
http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html

Only 3 of 4 verses are listed at:
http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... Ganga.html
I always wondered that this song is too short in video but never could identify where. All versions looked identical but sure, one or the other verse was missing in different versions and hence looked complete. Took me a while, quite a while actually, to figure out the reason. So, here is another one min of content that's not in 1974 version but can be found in audio.

Song# 2: Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega
(Almost same in Sangam lyrics book, Hindilyrics.com, 1974 version, YRF DVD and in Esq VHS)
(Ref:
http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... arega.html
YRF DVD and Sangam lyrics book
http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html .)
Sunder:
Har dil jo pyaar karega, voh gaana gaayega - 2
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega - 2
Deewana
Aap hamaare dil ko churaakar aankh churaaye jaate hain
Yeh ek tarfa rasm-e-vafa hum phir bhi nibhaaye jaate hain
Chaahat ka dastoor hai lekin aap ko hi maaloom nahin, o
Jis mehfil mein shamma ho parwaana jaayega
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega
Deewana

Radha:
Har dil jo pyaar karega, voh gaana gaayega
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega
Deewana
Bhooli bisri yaadein mere hanste gaate bachpan ki
Raat biraat chali aati hai neend churaane nainan ki
Ab keh doongi karte karte kitne saawan beet gaye, ho
Jaane kab in aankhon ka sharmaana jaayega
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega
Deewana

Gopal:
Har dil jo pyaar karega, voh gaana gaayega
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega
Deewana
Apni apni sabne keh li, lekin hum chupchaap rahe
Dard paraaya jisko pyaara, voh kya apni baat kahe
Khaamoshi ka yeh afsaana reh jaayega baad mere, o
Apna ke har kisi ko begaana jaayega
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega
All:
Har dil jo pyaar karega, voh gaana gaayega
Deewana sekdon mein pehchaana jaayega
Included in Hindilyrics.com site and smashits site, not clear in Sangam lyrics book, and it's not in 1974 version, YRF DVD, Esq VHS

Deewana
Radha:
Deewana
Sunder:
Deewana
Radha:
Deewana (Sangam lyrics book has it as Gopal and not Radha )

Song # 3: O Mehbooba:
(Ref:
http://www.bollywoodlyrics.com/categori ... ricid=1383
YRF DVD and Sangam lyrics book
http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html .)
1974 version, YRF DVD and Esq VHS have one stanza cut (was definitely "IN" in 1964) and one repeat lines in prev stanza missing. Sangam lyrics book doesn't indicate if a line is repeated. Smashits site has complete version.
(Same start point & end point: YRF DVD = 2 min 58 sec = 3 min 05 sec, Smashits = 4 min 57 sec)
This song cut by 1 min 52 sec in 1974 release
--MALE--
Radha - 3
(O Mehbooba) - 3
O mehbooba, o mehbooba
(Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood) - 2
(Voh kaunsi mehfil hai jahan tu nahin maujood) - 2
O mehbooba, o mehbooba
Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood
(Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood)
(repeat missing in 1974 versaion)


(Kis baat pe naaraaz ho, kis baat ka hai gham
Kis soch mein doobi ho tum, ho jaayega sangam) --Repeat is missing in 1974 version
Kis baat pe naaraaz ho, kis baat ka hai gham
Kis soch mein doobi ho tum, ho jaayega sangam
O mehbooba, o mehbooba
(Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood) - 2

(Guzroon main idhar se kabhi, guzroon main udhar se
Milta hai har ek raasta jaakar tere ghar se) - 2
(This verse not in 1974 version, YRF DVD or in Esq VHS. It was definitely "IN", when I saw Sangam in 1964 first.)

O mehbooba, o mehbooba
(Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood) - 2

(Baahon ke tujhe haar main pehnaaoonga ek din
Sab dekhte reh jaayenge, le jaaoonga ek din) - 2
O mehbooba, o mehbooba
Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood
Voh kaunsi mehfil hai jahan tu nahin maujood
O mehbooba, o mehbooba
(Tere dil ke paas hi hai meri manzil-e-maksood)-2

Song # 4: Ye Mera Prem Patr Padh Kar
(Ref:
http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... 20Kar.html
YRF DVD and Sangam lyrics book.)
Gopal (Mohd Rafi):
Haseena Likhoon, Meherbaan Likhoon, Ya Dilruba Likhoon
Hairaan Hoon Ki Aap Ko Is Khat Mein Kya Likhoon
(Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho) - 2

(Tujhe Maein Chand Kehta Tha, Magar Usme Bhi Daag Hai) -2
Tujhe Suraj Maein Kehta Tha, Magar Usme Bhi Aag Hai
Tujhe Itna Hi Kehta Hoon Ki Mujhko (Tumse Pyar Hai) - 3
Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho

(Tujhe Ganga Maein Samjhoon Ga Tujhe Jamuna Maein Samjhoon Ga) - 2
Tu Dil Ke Paas Hai Itni Tujhe Apna Maein Samjhoon Ga
Agar Mar Jaoon Rooh Bhatke Gi (Tere Intezaar Mein) - 3
(Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho) - 2

(Hindilyrics site lyrics end here.)

(Radha (Lata) Hmmm: Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Radha (Lata) sings: Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho ) -2

Part 2:
Lata (Radha) reads, not sing: Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Radha sings: Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho
(It's right after these lines that I think, Lata solo song was in the 1964 version. In Esq VHS it's a few sec more and seems to be leading to that scene that I remember very well from 1964. So, something is definitely cut here. Can't say how much, a few seconds or full Lata song. Lata solo song sure exists. I think it's in one of Lata's LPs or CDs.)

Both singing:
Radha: Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho
Gopal: (Tujhe Ganga Maein Samjhoon Ga Tujhe Jamuna Maein Samjhoon Ga) - 2
Radha & Gopal both: Tu Dil Ke Paas Hai Itni Tujhe Apna Maein Samjhoon Ga
Gopal: Agar Mar Jaoon Rooh Bhatke Gi Tere
Both: (Intezaar Mein) - 3
(Yeh Mera Prem Patra Padh Kar Ke Tum Naaraaz Na Hona
Ke Tum Meri Zindagi Ho Ke Tum Meri Bandagi Ho) -2
Quote:
Added April 2011 & edit corrected:
Youtube site has another version only about 40 sec at the end that's not in Esq VHS or in LP
It's 9 Min 21 Sec (it's only 40 sec longer at the end and that too seems like it's from Rafi concert )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3UGwb7 ... re=related
Last 40 sec: Basically, it's Rafi singing in classical style and finishing with
Ke Tum Naaraz Na Hona, Ke Tum Naaraz Na Hona
This bit is after what's listed above



Song # 5: Main Kaa Karoon Ram Mujhe Buddha Mil Gaya

(Ref: http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... 0Gaya.html
YRF DVD and Sangam lyrics book.)
(It was not easy, but many expressions/ slangs (Hoy Hoy, Haay, Hun, Main, Kya, Kaa etc) and their inclusion or exclusion are corrected here. Also noted repeat lines. But, no attention paid for upper case or lower case lettering)

(Main kaa karun raam mujhe buddha mil gayaa)-2
hoy hoy buddha mil gayaa Ho Buddha Mil Gaya
Haay (Main kaa karun raam mujhe buddha mil gayaa)-2

(Sab jo gaye baag meraa buddha bhi chalaa gaya)-2
(sab to laaye phool buddha gobhi le kay aa gaya)-2
main ho gai badnaam mujhe buddhaa mil gaya
Haay kaa karun raam mujhe buddha mil gaya
Hoy Hoy Buddha Mil Gaya, Ho Buddha Mil Gaya
Haay Main Kaa Karoon Ram Mujhe Buddha Mil Gaya

(main gudiyaa hasin meri morani si chaal hai) - 2
(sar mein safed) - 2 usake dada ji ka baal hai
sar mein safed usake dada ji ka baal hai
Kya Hoga Anjaam Mujhe Buddha Mil Gaya
Haay kaa karun raam mujhe buddha mil gaya
Hoy Hoy Buddha Mil Gaya, Hun Buddha Mil Gaya
Main Kaa Karoon Ram Mujhe Buddha Mil Gaya

(Pariyon ke desh mujhe buddha le kay aa gaya) - 2
(Main ne jo uthaya ghoonghat buddha gussaa khaa gaya) - 2
Bigade saare kaam mujhe buddha mil gayaa
Haay kaa karun raam mujhe buddha mil gaya
Hoy Hoy Buddha Mil Gaya, Haay Buddha Mil Gaya
Haay Main Kaa Karoon Ram Mujhe Buddha Mil Gaya
Main kaa karun raam mujhe buddha mil gaya.
A few frames, good ones, missing after the song ends.

Song # 6: Ish Libe dish I Love You
(Ref Sangam lyrics book and 1974 version DVD)
(Not sure of spelling for non-English non-Hindi verses
Ich Leibe Dich German pronounced as Ish Libe Dish)


(Ich Leibe Dich I love you Jevustane I love you
Ya lubluba I love you Ishq hai ishq I love you) - 2
Come shake my hand and love each other
lets bring happiness in this world together
(This is the only truth Remember my brother) - 2
(Ich Leibe Dich I love you Jevustane I love you
Ya lubluba I love you Ishq hai ishq I love you) - 2


Song # 7: O Mere Sanam
Ref:
http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... sanam.html
Sangam lyrics book, YRF DVD,
http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html
(Same start point & end point: YRF DVD = 2 min 15 sec = 2 min 20 sec, Smashits = 4 min 25 sec)
This song cut by 2 min 05 sec in 1974 release (Basically the whole song is cut)
--FEMALE--
Aa aa, aa aa aa aa
(O mere sanam, o mere sanam
Do jism magar ek jaan hain hum
Ek dil ke do armaan hain hum) - 2
O mere sanam, o mere sanam
Quote:
Tan saunp diya, man saunp diya
Kuch aur to mere paas nahin
Jo tumse hai mere hamdam
Bhagwaan se bhi voh aas nahin - 2
Jis din se hue ek duje ke
Is duniya se anjaan hain hum
Ek dil ke do armaan hain hum
O mere sanam, o mere sanam

--MALE--
Sunte hain pyaar ki duniya mein
Do dil mushkil se samaate hain
Kya gair vahan apnon tak ke
Saaye bhi na aane paate hain - 2
Humne aakhir kya dekh liya
Kya baat hai kyoon hairaan hain hum
Ek dil ke do armaan hain hum
O mere sanam, o mere sanam
(This verse missing in 1974 version. It was in 1964 version. Audio avail at smashits site.)
Also on Youtube (audio & video) as on May 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljQJuQpuMzg


--FEMALE--
Mere apne, apna yeh milan
Sangam hai yeh ganga jamuna ka
Jo sach hai saamne aaya hai
Jo beet gaya ek sapna tha - 2
Yeh dharti hai insaanon ki
Kuch aur nahin insaan hain hum
Ek dil ke do armaan hain hum

--MALE--
O mere sanam, o mere sanam
Do jism magar ek jaan hain hum
Ek dil ke do armaan hain hum
O mere sanam, o mere sanam

--FEMALE--
(O, o, o)


Song # 8: Dost Dost Na Raha
(Ref
http://www.hindilyrix.com/songs/get_son ... 0raha.html
Sangam lyrics book and 1974 version Sangam DVD
http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html )
(Almost same start point & end point: YRF DVD = 3 min 11 sec = 3 min 19 sec, Smashits = 4 min 47 sec)
This song cut by 1 min 28 sec in 1974 release

(Dost dost na raha, pyaar pyaar naa raha
Zindagi hamein tera, aitbaar na raha, aitbaar na raha)-2

Amaanatein main pyaar ki, gaya tha jisko saumnp kar
Woh mere dost tum hi thay, tumhi to thay
Jo zindagi ki raah may bane thay mere humsafar
Woh mere dost tum hee thay, tumhi to thay
Saare bhed khul gaye, raazdaar na raha
Zindagi hamein tera, aitbaar na raha, aitbaar na raha

Gale Lagi Sahem Sahem Bhare Gale Se Bolti
Woh Tum Na Thi Tau Kaun Tha Tumhi Tau Thi
(This verse not in Hindilyrics site but is in 1974 version

Safar ke waqt mein palak pe motiyo ko taulti
Woh tum na thi tau kaun tha tumhi to thi
Nashe ki raat dhhal gayi ab khhumaar na raha
Zindagi hamein tera, aitbaar na raha, aitbaar na raha


Wafaa Ka Leke Naam Jo Dhadak Rahe Thay Har Ghadi
Vo Mere Nek Nek Dil Tumhi Tau Ho
Jo Muskurah Kay Reh Gaye Zaher Ki Jab Sui Ghadi
Vo Mere Nek Nek Dil Tumhi Tau Ho
Ab Kisi Ka Mere Dil Intzaar Na Raha
Zindagi hamein tera, aitbaar na raha, aitbaar na raha
This verse not in 1974 version but is in Sangam lyrics book and in smashits site

Dost dost na raha, pyaar pyaar naa raha
Zindagi hamein tera, aitbaar na raha, aitbaar na raha

Some lines repeated, with some variation in music-lyrics combo, later on in the film:

Gale Lagi Sahem Sahem Bhare Gale Se Bolti, Tumhi Tau Thi
Safar ke waqt mein palak pe motiyo ko taulti
Woh tum na thi tau kaun tha (music only "Tumhi Tau Thi")
Nashe ki raat dhhal gayi ab khhumaar na raha
Zindagi hamein tera, aitbaar na raha (music/ dialogs)

Total of 6 min 36 sec of songs cut in 1974 release


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EXTRA Song in SANGAM Lyrics Book Only:
Never heard this song. Don't think it ever was part of Sangam. But, it's in Sangam lyrics book. Slight chance that it may be in Orig LP ?? Muz to check pl. (Muz replied, it's not in LP). A similar song is in Dev Annand's Sharabi

Kabhi Na Kabhi Kahin Na Kahin Se Koi Na Koi Tau Aayega
Kuchh Din Pehlay Hum Aisay Hee Dukhde Sehtay Thay
Saanjh Saveray Lekin Apne Dil Se Yehi Hum Kehtay Thay
Kabhi Na Kabhi Kahin Na Kahin Se Koi Na Koi Tau Aayega

Kal Jo Sitara Toota Gira Tha Phir Se Kahin Muskaayega
Bhor Ka Meetha Raag Sunaa Kar Sautay Bhaag Jagaayega
Kabhi Na Kabhi Kahin Na Kahin Se Koi Na Koi Tau Aayega
Aayega Aayega Aayega

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:01 pm 
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rana wrote:
Ran a search on my PC and did find this full version (O Mere Sanam) in my hard drive, in MP3 format @ 128 kbps (so not HQ, but good enough), 5 min 42 sec. Total file size is about 5.22 MB I guess it can go as e-mail attachment.


Rana: Please check your PM.


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Guys

I have ordered a gizmo to help digitise my LPs. Once I get it I will do Sangam first and send you both a HQ copy of the full song if you still want it.

Thanks,

Muz.


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VijayDinanathChavan wrote:
rana wrote:
Ran a search on my PC and did find this full version (O Mere Sanam) in my hard drive, in MP3 format @ 128 kbps (so not HQ, but good enough), 5 min 42 sec. Total file size is about 5.22 MB I guess it can go as e-mail attachment.


Rana: Please check your PM.

http://ww.smashits.com/music/oldies/son ... angam.html
Full version of "O Mere Sanam" (incl Mukesh verse) is also at Smashits.com.
Mere Man Ki Ganga song is complete too (one verse is missing in Hindilyrics.com while a different verse is missing in 1974 version that VHS/ DVDs are from).
(Another 1 min discripancy resolved)

Ye Mera Prem Patr song is just the Rafi version at this site though. Didn't check other songs yet.

"O Mere Sanam" song: Smashits.com version is Sangam song till 4 min 28 sec but after that music keeps going for another 1 min 30 sec that's the same music as Mera Naam Joker just before "Jaane Kahan Gaye Wo Din" It happens often, they use same music in more than one film. One Sangam music segment for sure is exactly the same in Shammi Kapoor's RajKumar, for example.

Muz, could you pl check from your LP if that last 1 min 30 sec music segment is in there or just an error in that website compilation ??


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rana wrote:

Muz, could you pl check from your LP if that last 1 min 30 sec music segment is in there or just an error in that website compilation ??


This extra music is not on the LP - and also it isn't actually anywhere in the movie - so I think it is an error on the web-site as you indicated.


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I've been working on putting the Sangam lyrics, from the Orig LP associated Sangam lyrics booklet (done now), into roman script. I've been using one of my above post to compose the text that also includes lyrics comparison to 1974 version and other hints. (As I complete work on one song, I make it reg font size. Ones not checked yet stay in small font until I check them). So far, Sangam lyrics book seems to be most complete and I've listed various missing segments and short cuts in 1974 version. Some things still need to be verified against the 1964 version LP for which I've to depend on Muz (done now).

I leave it to Muz to verify the wordings and repeat wordings in the 1964 LP, with the lyrics that I sorted out, bit by bit as I post them or all at once in the end. It'll be easier to check one song at a time. It's not easy to concentrate on more than one song at a time and to find minor differences that eventually pile up missing run-time.


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It was rare in those days, but still, sometimes, not everything on the OST made it to the final cut of the movie.

This is more common now, even in Bollywood movies.


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NewDeep wrote:
It was rare in those days, but still, sometimes, not everything on the OST made it to the final cut of the movie.

This is more common now, even in Bollywood movies.


saawariya, one song was shortened for sure! thanks for god sake! :lol: AJN there was additional song/music in the film not on orig soundtrack!


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NewDeep wrote:
It was rare in those days, but still, sometimes, not everything on the OST made it to the final cut of the movie.

This is more common now, even in Bollywood movies.


Very true.

I'm just trying to figure out what's the missing material that might have been in the orig 238 min cut of the film. Fortunately or un-fortunately, now I've identified (details coming up) almost all of original cut of 238 min without incuding Lata solo of Prem Patra song that I know audio was recorded and released. I say 'unfortunately' because it implies that Lata solo version of Prem Patra song never was in the film. It was just audio only (see my earlier post about Lata's comments).

When I saw the film in 1964, in the first or 2nd week of its release, there were many rumors going on that "O Mehbooba", "Dost Dost Na Raha", and may be another one, have been "cut". (Someone even said, Sangam Hoga Ke Nahin has been cut by the censors) I was pleasantly surprised that all these songs were IN. Well, this word "cut" could mean two ways. One, "cut" full song; Two, song is "cut" shorter. Quite possible that these songs were cut somewhat, even at that time, without us realizing that a few lines are missing. I recall, initial reaction was positive but there were many of the opinion that film is dragging. Theater owners too wanted to cut time somewhat so as to accomodate 3 shows and don't stay open too long. Recall, there also was a required mandatory screening of a Documentary (20 min), in those days. Plus, theaters also wanted to show commercial slides.

It's interesting how big a disaster/ effect cuts can make ?? And, what's director's vision ?? I don't think Sangam Director Raj Kapoor ever wanted to portray Sunder, character played by himself, as a Bully. And, yet that's what wikipedia Sangam review says. All and out negative character. Just depends what cut of the film they saw.


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Summary:

Lyrics from Sangam Lyrics Book in Roman Script are in my earlier post.
Following the written lyrics (Thanks to Muz for supplying the 1964 version lyrics) and counting # of repeats of catch lines etc, gave me an exact account of Sangam songs. (See my earlier post)

YRF DVD (213 min video = 222 min film) is aprox 10 min shorter (film time) than 1974 Sangam release (232 min). Of this 10 min, about 4 min is in starting titles and Sunder Gopal Radha childhood play. Remaining 6 min are by a few secs here and a few secs there and must have resulted from splicing/ damage of old old print (1974 cc, DVD in 2001).
My Esquire VHS is full 232 min (223 min video = 232 min film), same as stated on 1974 cc. Sangam orig run time (1964) has been stated to be 238 min. All of the 6 min discrepancy, 6 min 33 sec is detected in songs only.

So, most likely, it's these songs as stated in Sangam lyrics book (audio is avail too) is what was in 1964 version and and the shorter versions of these songs is what account for the shorter 1974 version of Sangam.

Despite this, I know for sure:
1) One minor shot, but interesting, missing after "Buddha Mil Gaya" song. (2-4 sec)

2) at least one shot right after VMK reading "Prem Patr" lyrics that's missing. (could be 5 sec or could be even 3 min if complete Lata verse was in 1964 release).

And, then there is one catch line repeat missing in "Har Dil Jo" song.

Assuming that Orig release was 238 min and had full songs, Lata solo couldn't have been included. If Lata solo was IN, then some other songs verses must have been cut in the orig 1964 version. Or, may be orig release was longer than 238 min ??
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And then, there is one VyjantiMala shot in mud that was rumoured/ reported to have been cut by the censors.

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There is an extra song lyrics in Sangam lyrics book. I never heard that song. Not sure if it's in the 1964 LP that's associated with that Lyrics book. Muz to check pl. (Muz replied: It's not in LP)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:15 am 
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Thanks for this Rana bhai!

No that song is not in the LP - I too am wondering how that song made it in to the lyrics sheet but never in to the soundtrack LP.

Hey - was the English song included in the lyrics sheet at all?


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Muz wrote:
was the English song included in the lyrics sheet at all?


Yes, it's in the Sangam lyrics booklet.

BTW,
1) "Ishq Hai Ishq I Love You" song starts as
"Ish Libe dish I Love You". And the following lines too are in a similar language, unknown to me.
What language is this ?? Italian, German. Spanish, Serbian, Russian ??

2) Sangam Hindi Lyrics Booklet has all the lyrics but it doesn't indicate repeat lines etc. I indicated repeated lines by listening to these songs. Hence, the lyrics that I posted are full complete and audio and/ or video is available (except for that additional song that exists only in lyrics book. A similar song is in Dev Annand's Sharabi).

3) Not all "Hindi Lyrics Websites" have complete lyrics and not all repeat lines are indicated. If anyone wants to correct/ modify those lyrics, using my post above, is most welcome.


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rana wrote:

BTW,
1) "Ishq Hai Ishq I Love You" song starts as
"Ish Libe dish I Love You". And the following lines too are in a similar language, unknown to me.
What language is this ?? Italian, German. Spanish, Serbian, Russian ??


It's German - Ich Leibe Dich ...


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8) rana sahab!! I wish I would be affiliated with yrf camp and would be able to award your consistent interest and contribution!

Well ZULM AWARD FOR BEST CONTRIBUTION TO FILM/REVIEWS SECTION GOES TO "ONE AND ONLY RANA SAHAB: 8) :D BRAVO!


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Zoran009 wrote:
8) rana sahab!! I wish I would be affiliated with yrf camp and would be able to award your consistent interest and contribution!

Well ZULM AWARD FOR BEST CONTRIBUTION TO FILM/REVIEWS SECTION GOES TO "ONE AND ONLY RANA SAHAB: 8) :D BRAVO!

Hear Hear!!!!


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