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I recently picked this book up on sale at Tesco, and I have to say it has to be one of the funniest books I have read in ages!! If youre a fan of Bollywood, Cricket, Travelling or just piss taking, then you will love this book!!

It basically covers the story of Chris England who plays the character of "Yardley" in Lagaan, and how he got the job for the movie!! The points that really caught me was

1) How shit they were paid!!
2) They didnt give 2 shits about working with Aamir Khan!!
3) They didnt want to be there including Rachel Shelly and Paul Blackthorn, even though they had major roles in the movie!!
4) Their views on Bollywood!!

If you can get this book i would strongley recommend it.. i dont normally read books, but this book i really enjoyed.. and im still half way thru it!!


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faddy wrote:
The points that really caught me was

1) How shit they were paid!!
2) They didnt give 2 shits about working with Aamir Khan!!
3) They didnt want to be there including Rachel Shelly and Paul Blackthorn, even though they had major roles in the movie!!
4) Their views on Bollywood!!

This is actually very surprising to know, I've read alot of articles before Lagaan's release; saying that how everyone worked soo close on the unit and Aamir Khan made sure he took care of everyone's needs.

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I know this may seem sad but ive scanned a couple of pages for you guys using OCR (So might have some spelling mistakes) But any of you guys who can be bother to read then have a go at this.. i think u`ll get the jist of the sort of Humour that is in the book.. its a bit Micheal Palin style!! Anyway the book is a massive surprise to me....... the book gives an excellent authors perspective of everything Bollywood related including "the squating toilets!!" very funny indeed!!

Chris Graham and the "Padded up" chapter about him preparing to go to Bollywood after being selected at his awful attempt at woo-ing Ashutosh Rana at the cricket match!!

"At this point, 1 should admit, 1 knew very little about Bollywood, about Aamir Khan, or about India altogether. I'd seen the occasional glimpse of Bollywood movies here and there. Occasionally Barry Norman would have mentioned or shown a clip from one, and 1 knew, from the thriving Indian video store at the end of the road, that there was a market in this country. Vast numbers of videos were on display in this little shop, the boxes of which all seemed to feature an impossibly beautiful and highly decorated girl and a slick looking individual with a floppy quiff.

1 quickly discovered that Mr Khan's fame had spread to these shores, though, and no mistake. Susan, my wife, told an Indian friend of hers at work that 1 was going to be in a Bollywood film.

'Oh really?' the friend replied, mildly interested. 'Who is the star?'
Susan shrugged, and said: 'He's called Aamir Khan, something like that . .

Whereupon her friend let out a scream as though she'd just seen a Bay City Roller. I'm talking twenty five years ago, obviously. Nowadays catching. sight of Les McKeown or Derek Longinuir provokes a quite different sort of scream.

An old school pal of mine is married to an Indian, and when 1 mentioned the film to him he started grumbling that Bollywood films were the bane of his life. His wife subscribes to the specialist Bollywood movie channel on satellite or cable B4U, 1 think it's called and whenever he wants to watch live football these days Steve finds himself banished to the small black and white portable in the spare room. 1 told him to bring up the name Aamir Khan in conversation, and if a signed photo would get him the fourth round of the Worthington CupIn colour in the comfort of his living room then I'd see what 1 could do.

1 thought I'd find out a little bit about Bollywood, forewarned being forearmed, so first of all 1 checked out the Aamir Khan fan websites. Among the things 1 found out about the star apart from what he looks like with his shirt on and with his shirt off was that he has a reputation as a serious craftsman, trying in his films to portray naturalistic characters, avoiding as far as possible the over the top hysterics of his rivals. The other thing that came up again and again in descriptions of the man was that he shunned publicity, having a particular disregard for award ceremonies, which he made a point of not attending. Good for him, 1 thought.

Next 1 nipped down the road to the Asian video shop. This stocks exclusively Bollywood films and Bollywood soundtrack albums, and it thrives, so there is certainly an audience for Bollywood output in my part of South London. 1 found myself wondering whether 1 would be stoppedin the street once Lagaan was released.

The video shop guy was a bit surprised to see a white bloke browsing in his store, and couldn't take his eyes off me. 1 was probably unshaven 1 usually seem to be and 1 dare say 1 looked as if 1 was preparing to rob the place. 1 strolled around looking at the film boxes, but 1 hadn't a clue what 1 was looking for particularly, which made me look even more suspicious.

1 decided to ask for his help and went over to the counter. His eyes flicked nervously from side to side, and he looked like he was sizing up his chances of making a break for the police station on the other side of the road. When 1 asked him if he had any Aamir Khan films he breathed a huge sigh of relief, and suddenly a little pile of tapes materialised on the counter in front of me. None of them had boxes, and I wondered for a moment whether he'd misunderstood me and thought 1 wanted porn, but I gathered as he described them that none of the films he was offering me had actually been released for video rental yet. Aha bootlegs!

,The huge global demand for Bollywood output is met, in part at least, by the Indian underworld. The traffic in bootleg films and soundtracks via Karachi and Dubai is reckoned to be worth as much as £6 billion a year. And the gangsters' interest in the movie business doesn't end there. Many Bollywood films have mob money behind them, and they often try to cast the big stars by sending them death threats.

'Which is the best one?' 1 asked.

'All very good,' he offered, helpfully. Oh well. 1 picked a couple more or less at random. Mann and Mela, they were called, and 1 hoped they would show me what Aamir Khan was all about. 1 bade the video shop man good day, and left him to recover his composure, poor chap.

Later that evening Susan and 1 stuck the tape in and gave Mela a go. 1 recognised Aamir from the soft focus publicity shots on his fan club's website. All 1 could say after watching a bit of Mela was that if he was the naturalistic one, then the rest of Bollywood must be populated with hams that would give Messrs Sinden and Callow a run for their money.

It's hard, at the best of times, to follow a film in a completely unfamiliar language, such as Hindi is to me. Usually, though, the language of film itself gives you a clue as to what is going on. We see a scene in a sort of faded blueish monochrome, for example, and we gather that it is a flashback. We see a small boy in the flashback, and something about the cut back to the present day tells you that the boy and the adult we are now looking at are one and the same.

It also helps that the predominant genre of movie in India is so all embracing. The 'masala' movie masala in India meaning mixture, whereas in our country it means a sort of bright orange creamy tomato sauce has a little bit of everything. A wild and exhilarating mix of romance, adventure, tragedy, knockabout comedy, pathos, emotion, musical numbers and dancing is the usual recipe, and the idea is to thrill you, move you and generally excite your envy on every front.

And if you are finding the main love story a little bit too syrupy for your taste, don't worry. There'll be some slapstick along in a moment, knockabout stuff of a calibre that would make even Norman Wisdom blench.

Within about fifteen minutes of Mela, however, 1 was utterly at sea. Aamir and his mate were involved in a fantastic fight scene, and then we cut away to a musical number. In a Hollywood musical the songs by and large seem to grow out of the story. Characters burst into song, which is not a particularly realistic thing to have happen, but the song takes place in the same location as the surrounding story, and pushes the plot along, or illuminates a character's emotional state in some way.

In this, though, we were wrenched from a countryside scene on to a huge theatrical stage, where the characters were suddenly all clad in black leather, and surrounded by neon lights and a bewildering number of dancers. It was as though the Young Generation, the Younger Generation, the Second Generation, the Nigel Lythgoe dancers, the Jeff Thacker dancers, Pan's People, Legs 'n' Co, Hot Gossip, the lads from Michael Jackson's Thriller video and the Kids from Fame had got together to form some kind of almighty synchronised pelvisthrusting supergroup. They did their funky thing, and then it was back to the plot, and a bit of comic relief."




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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:12 pm 
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Anyway I wonder if Rachel Shelley and...er what's his name Chris England ever knew they was acting in the most expensive Hindi film ever at that time...who cares what they think...the film was perfect. I guess after reading this book faddy you should read "The spirit of Lagaan" as an antidote.

BTW, faddy where can I get this book?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:21 pm 
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that rachel girl's diary....couldn't bother to read it myself as i hated lagaan...but might interest you -P


And finally, excerpts from Rachel Shelley's (Elizabeth in the film) own diary during the filming of Lagaan:
"Bhuj is a dusty, walled fort town in a remote corner of north-western India. With plenty of soldiers. Pakistan is only 70 km away, and given the delicate nature of relations between Islamabad and New Delhi, the Indian government regards the area as "highly sensitive".
So all foreigners are required to register with the police. In big letters, my little registration card reads: "Please note that landscape photography is prohibited." Interesting. Did anyone tell them we have come here to shoot a film? My assignment is to spend four months here as the lead actress in Bollywood's most expensive film ever. It's a period romantic comedy called 'Lagaan', set in a poor and drought-stricken community in central India in 1893.

People are treating me as though I'm already famous, just because they know I'm about to do an Aamir Khan film. Giving autographs is new for me.

Day 1 (on set)
During my first hour of filming, the sweat began to collect in puddles in and around my corset. Then came the sandblasting as the wind whipped up, playing havoc with my hat and make up. In between having to spit, extract eye bogies and stand like a teapot (one hand on hat because the hat pins haven't arrived; one holding my parasol aloft), I/we completed the scheduled scenes to everyone's satisfaction. The Indian actors celebrated the completion of the first shot with a prayer.

Day 3
It shouldn't happen on any film set. A whole afternoon's work has to be re-shot. Why? Because we were finishing a scene today that we started yesterday and yesterday I was wearing earrings. Today I wasn't. Whose fault is that? Continuity? It doesn't exist. Wardrobe? Yes, but they are really tailors, not dressers. They've actually asked me if the back of my skirt looks OK - like I can see it from where my head is.

Back at Sahajanand Towers, I want to drown my sorrows in a large vodka ginger ale or dairy-free ice cream or an enormous bowl of pasta or a hot bath. None of these is available. I may take up smoking again instead.

Day 11
The reason for not writing in more than a week is not just because some of the other Brits have arrived and I suddenly have something that resembles a social life (Scrabble), but because I have been working like a dog.

Tuesday morning was by far the lowlight. Awful. After all my requests for a wardrobe assistant, no one had arrived and as I prepared for a new scene, the nightmares in the changing room began. There were still no hatpins, which are essential. My undergarments had been washed but were still wet. No one could find the right shoes and the period leather laces hadn't been cut. The assistant directors (ADs) were bullying me into leaving for set when I wasn't fully dressed.

I was supposed to be doing my biggest Hindi scene and instead was stressing over wardrobe! No one even attempted to apologise, placate or accept responsibility, so when I found the temporarily appointed wardrobe man, Sanjay, I demanded answers. OK - I shouted at him. Not for more than about 30 seconds, and then I immediately apologised, but I shouted. Maybe now, I thought, someone would get the message. Sure enough, solutions miraculously became available. That night, I was summoned to Aamir Khan's room where, to my acute shame, I was sanctimoniously reprimanded. "Everyone was completely shocked," said Aamir, because they all thought I was "such a nice, reasonable girl", and "that sort of behaviour just doesn't happen on my film sets". To my huge surprise, I began to cry. This made him feel terrible, which I'm sorry to admit actually made me feel a lot better.

But still, I hadn't managed to justify or defend myself as well as I could. What I did manage to tell Aamir was that I found his dual role as producer and actor very hard to cope with as I couldn't handle being reprimanded by him in the evening and then having to tell him the next day in Hindi that I love him.

Day 64
So now I am on drugs. After two days of low-grade gastroenteritis, I couldn't get to sleep because the composer, A R Rahman, who is about to work with Andrew Lloyd Webber on his new musical, is in the next room and can only work at night. And it seems he can only work very, very loud.

Day 68
The only problem for me was the first scene of my song/fantasy. I'm taken into the ballroom where they are all set up to shoot Aamir (who is now dressed in British officer uniform) and I do a swift, romantic waltz. Except it's not just a quick waltz; they start throwing in multiple spins and head turns and telling me to "spot" (whatever that is) and basically behave like the trained dancer which I am not. I did not expect to have to rehearse - self-consciously and badly - in front of the entire cast and crew in full costume. It takes me 40 minutes to get it right, but thankfully Aamir isn't much better. The dance director rattled me immediately, shouting and telling me how easy it is.

Day 78
My "song" continues to make me laugh. I twirl in circles on the beach in my nightwear, skip around pillars and fountains and dance with scarves on a high, blustery turret. They've even got me kissing roses and clasping doves (pigeons, really) and declaring "Yes, I'm in looove!" before releasing them to the heavens. It's a shame they are so lazy they plummet to the ground when I let them go. All of this is done to music playback which is loud enough to drown out my dreadful singing. It is all over just as I am really beginning to love it.

My song was the only opportunity I got to wear sensual and sexy clothes and make-up. The best part for me was dressing up as a local Indian village girl and playing coy with Aamir at twilight. With my midriff showing and adorned with jewellery, I've decided I make a cool peasant.



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Rachel Shelley's account of the shoot being disorganized surprises me, as the quality of the production (cinematography, sets, etc.) is much better than normal.

So now we know why there are no interviews, etc. on the Lagaan DVD :tounge:


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The thing is, we Asian people are so good at what we do, we don't need to spend all that money on wardrobe assistants and other such crap. It's only gora's who go through all that hallabaloo. What Rachel Shelley is saying in her diary just shows what I'm saying. These gora's think they are so better, they think they have nice looking women, even are ugliest women are better looking then the gorees.

Gora's just like to take the piss out of other cultures.


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TheGame wrote:
The thing is, we Asian people are so good at what we do, we don't need to spend all that money on wardrobe assistants and other such crap. It's only gora's who go through all that hallabaloo. What Rachel Shelley is saying in her diary just shows what I'm saying. These gora's think they are so better, they think they have nice looking women, even are ugliest women are better looking then the gorees.

Gora's just like to take the piss out of other cultures.

It is hard to believe that they did not even have a basic crew member such as a script supervisor to check the continuity. But if they didn't, Shelley's complaint is valid. The script supervisor is such an important part of the filmmaking process.


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There are loads of Bollywood sets where things like this happen, but yet the top actors still churn out hits after hits.

It's time people stopped moaning, unless their having an orgy, and got on with their work.


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dograk wrote:
After two days of low-grade gastroenteritis, I couldn't get to sleep because the composer, A R Rahman, who is about to work with Andrew Lloyd Webber on his new musical, is in the next room and can only work at night. And it seems he can only work very, very loud.

this lady doesn't know how lucky she is...


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has anyone else noticed that Paul Blackthorne, the evil english guy from lagaan, is in a tv series called "presidio med"? i think it started last fall...i knew i saw him in the promos, but wasn't sure it was him until today.


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Brits... sigh.

What the hell do these two think they are? They're invited to participate in another film industry, and all they can do is give public gallis over it (I also recall Rachel Shelley whining and giving the whole story of Lagaan away). What the hell is wrong with them?

That whole British mentality thing that they tried to instill in India... seems they're still stuck on it. Everything a Gora does is better than anyone else. We're still uncivilized savages who are all inferior because we're dark, speak another language (might I add that Sanskrit is about a million times better than English), and follow different religions. Salla...

And I was wondering why a lot of Hindi films use Indian actors masquerading as Brits... funds might be some part, but attitude is probably another big part.


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If you have read "the spirit of lagaan" then you'll know Aamir khan told all actors what kind of environment they will be working in beforehand...it is actually very unprofessional on the Brits part to complain.


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They were told about what they were getting into. Its not like they are some big Hollywood stars, just a bunch of unknown theatre actors for whom these are most likely the biggest and most important roles of their lives. As for continuity, it should be every actors responsibility to see to it. Different industries have different cultures of working. They should have adapted to it. Lagaan probably has less continuity problems than Titanic (which definitely had a script supervisor). Look at the budget of Hindi films, they manage to do so much for peanuts. A movie like Lagaan starring big name actors from Hollywood would at least have cost at least 5 to 8 times as much.


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By the way, all these losers are simply cashing in on their travelogue associated with an Oscar nominated film. Disgusting Brits!!


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