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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 10:55 pm 
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Bollywood has lost over 100 CR this year, and the year is not even done. Basically, its a repeat of last year, but at an even greater level. Its pretty obvious now that it is at a crossroads: sooner or later, things will have to change; or else Bollywood will be blown away.

The question is what direction do you think it is/will head? The only hits of this year were Devdas, Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam, and Raaz. Oddly, all three were of a different genre, which echoes my point about the direction being changed.

From the movies that will release later on this year, none look like they have the slightest chance of being a hit. Kaante, the only movie that showed hope, has been continuously delayed, and all hype for it evaporates each and every day. The recent news about the pirates only increases my notion that it will be dead from the get go.

According to me, Bollywood basically can go a couple of ways: either big-budget melodrama, big-budget romance, big-budget family, low-budget hollywood rip-off, or the ubiqtuous miscellanious category. While some may argue that the so-called "movies" such as The Legend of Bhagat Singh form a category of their own, such as documentary, I would disagree, and instead put them in the miscellanious category. More on that later.

Looking at the styles in detail:

1) Are period films the way of the future? Never. What Bollywood fails to understand is that one successful film does not guarantee the success of the inncessant cop-cats that follow! Did the success of Raaz guarantee that Gunaah would be a success? Apparently, the producers believed so, at their misfortune. The success of Gadar, and to a certain extent, Lagaan, last year, made people make expensive turkeys like TLOBS and Shaheed.

2) Will movies now go the big-budget Devdas way? I doubt it. Devdas has become a standard for movies; by which they are measured. Movies like Devdas are made occasionally; when you have the right director, stars, producer etc. Will Bharat Shah's recently announced more-expensive-than-Devdas movie be a blockbuster a la Devdas? Who knows? Simply putting a big-budget is nothing.

3) Nowadays, Bollywood seems to be in love with Hollywood. But is that a good thing? Does ripping off Hollywood stories, adding a bit of masala, and some dancing, make a movie? Unfortunately, Bollywood has yet to learn that it doesn't.

There is a saying to the effect of that if you don't know how to do something, it is best to leave it untouched. If you do not know how to make Hollywood style flicks, why bother? Which producer seriously believed that ripping Matrix-esqe bullet sequences and Crouching Tiger-esqe action moves would make Awaara Pagal Deewana anything less than disgusting? Can someone simply throw a couple of stars in the loop, mix them together, add a bit of Hollywood style, then go around proclaiming a huge budget and voila, get away calling it a surefire super-hit? No. In fact, it will turn out to be a disaster. Look at AANKHEN if you want an example of that.

4) Are documentary films the way of the future? I would argue otherwise. Looking at these movies, such as Zubeidda, and to a certain extent Fiza and TLOBS, from a purely financial point of view, making such movies makes no sense. Where in TLOBS did you see the 35 CR that they spent? Atleast definetely not the sets! The same case applies for Fiza. Secondly, from a purely historical point of view, these so-called "movies" need not to be made!

Why should history to rewritten? Not to pick on TLOBS (however, it happens to be the most recent example), but it completely distorted Bhagat Singh's life. RKS, it seems, was unable to decide whether to make a historical movie or a commercial one. Instead, he choose the easy path; a combination of the two. The same happened with Fiza.

While on TLOBS, I'd like to point out how TLOBS defiled Indian history. I am utterly shocked at the recent suggestions, by some members, that it is prize worthy, let alone National Award worthy. Continuing the tradition from Hey Ram!, TLOBS decided to blame Gandhi for everything. For a movie that it supposed to salute India, it did a great job of defiling India, its' cultures, and traditions. Because of the 1960s Bhagat Singh movie, TLOBS (along with its so called years of research) decided to add in Bhagat Singh's fiancee, backed by no evidence. Another slap on the face of all freedom-fighters.

I also question the casting of Ajay Devgan as the protagonist. Devgan's so-called award winning role infact conveyed no emotion, was rather muted, and had no power. In fact, it was all the character artists that, because of their acting, were far more recognizable. Add to that a lack of "Punjabiness" in the music, and it makes you wonder why movies like this are made....

Anyways, enough of my musings. What do you say? What is the direction that Bollywood will head in the future?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:15 pm 
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I would argue the point more in-depth, but I was mostly distracted by your examples and your assertions on LOBS being such a horrible movie as well as Aankhen being so bad.

Otherwise, your raise some great points. It's agreed that directors need to stop aiming to ape Hollywood. And, to add to that, we need to stop accusing them once they stop.

Just as well, movie need not happen in waves. One gangster film is a hit... doesn't mean we need 100 of them.

And, as a final note, I might add that I personally don't care about the box office performance of movies that much. I won't stop caring about movies I love like LOBS or Company just because they didn't do well. I'm glad that some directors continue to strive to make good films.


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Actually, I am not asserting that TLOBS and Aankhen were so bad/horrible. I am just listing the reasons why I believe so.

But believe me, I would love to see your indepth analysis...

(in case, you haven't guessed, I am very bored)...


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My basic statement is this: It is not the industry that needs to change; it's the audience.

I appreciate how some film directors manage to still make different films out there. Films like Company, Chhal, Aankhen and 16 December are really working to advance the Indian film industry. They add stylish elements to the movie without changing what Bollywood really is all about.


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I also reckon that directors should stop copying hollywood movies cos basically, they dont turn out that bad, but its just that indian audiences arent ready for it. And i dont think that they ever will. Tumko Na Bhool Payenge was very loosely based on the long kiss goodnight(although the only similarity i saw was the amnesia.) and it was a good movie but didnt really succeed. It might have made decent collections abroad but in india, i dont think they liked it cos its not normal.

Audiences there want charm, charisma, romance, fundamental values, good family/friends relationships, style and action all built into one movie.

Movies like Don, Shaan, Sholay, Deewar are all classics because they came from an age where classics were aplenty. Modern classics have become somewhat a rareity even though we still have AB.

Devdas, Lagaan, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, Dilwale Dulhania Lejayenge Hum Aapke Hain Kaun are probably the only modern movies that stand out as true classics.
I think all these movies have a sort of family/love/building bonds theme.

So I would have to say that these are the sort of films to go for but each should be original. Dont want the same film with loads of different names being played everywhere. We need to see atleast 3 of these type of films each year, they should have big budgets and an all star cast.

I cant think straight, Im going to bed!


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but tell me this: why does the audience have to change? bcuz a minority of movie-goers want to watch hollywood movies?


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dograk wrote:
but tell me this: why does the audience have to change? bcuz a minority of movie-goers want to watch hollywood movies?

Nope Dogra, thats cos the very same minorty has started realizing what kinda CON-games present day bollywood movie makers are playing on them.

Think abt this. How many original movie plots did Bollywood produce this year ?...You can actually count them

Company , Aankhen , Devdas

Even the "hit" Raaz was so declared a hit as it was sold for a small price per territory. And to top it off it was a film by the stupid loser called Vikram Bhatt ( who cant think of anything original in his life).

In fact I would say that the last original Bollywood film that really leaves a memorable impression on you would be Dil Chahata Hai.... This was a movie (though thematically smilar to any Hollywood film) which had everything going for it !


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tell me : how "original" was company? or aankhen?


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dograk wrote:
tell me : how "original" was company? or aankhen?

I thought Aankhen was adpated from a GUJRATI play..."Andhalo Paatho" ?... So doesnt that make it "original" ?

As for Company.. its typical gangstar stuff... but at least not copied / ripped off frame by frame from any Hollywood flick ?


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Bollywood has the ability to produce rare gems which not even hollywood can match up to. They however do only come in the form of one per year with everything else being absolute rubbish.

I cannot stop my self from watching bits of andaz apna apna on dvd once every few days. This in my opinion is classic slapstick stuff and I havent seen any hollywood quite like it. Likewise Lagaan was absolute brilliance and alot better than many hollywood movies. Aamir Khan is a brilliant actor and he will lead bollywood thru the next decade or so.


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Masti Man wrote:
Bollywood has the ability to produce rare gems which not even hollywood can match up to. They however do only come in the form of one per year with everything else being absolute rubbish.

I cannot stop my self from watching bits of andaz apna apna on dvd once every few days. This in my opinion is classic slapstick stuff and I havent seen any hollywood quite like it. Likewise Lagaan was absolute brilliance and alot better than many hollywood movies. Aamir Khan is a brilliant actor and he will lead bollywood thru the next decade or so.

Totally agree with you about AAA. I watch bits of it often. However, I think some aspects of the humor are inspired by the American style of comedy. For example, the scene where Salman suddenly starts laughing at Aamir from outside the window seem Hollywoodish. Also, the bird flying in the air during their fight seems like a Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker type random joke.

Hollywood also has some thinking to do. They should be more careful about spending $90 million on another turkey like "Adventures of Pluto Nash." Likewise, Bollywood producers must be careful not to try to math Devdas' budget and end up with a megaflop. Of course, according to Taran, everything is a flop.


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Guys one place where Bollywood can score points over Hollywood is the dialogue delivery !!!!

Come on where else can you find such dialogues as

"Galti Se Mistake Ho Gaya "
..The best of Hindi and English.... :D :p


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dograk wrote:
tell me : how "original" was company? or aankhen?

It's a gangster movie done in a different style loosely based off a true story. I don't see a single American movie that it's a "copy" of at all.


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hey i posted something similar like this in some other form/website about directors stealing american movies and making an indian flick out of it...i got lot of comments on that...one of them said "its all about the money...they find it an easier way to copy and paste movies, and get rich out of it"....if u were living in INDIA you might enjoy it aswell....see for us moviewatcher or movie buffs, we dont want to see another movie which we already have watched...we want to see something that is very different and a movie that has some great direction and good acting (real acting not computerized) ....but its different in India....they dont see many american movies so they dont know whats going on...doing those matrix stunts, its new to them and they think its very cool and no one has ever did these type of stunts in indian cinema....so its a hit up there.....i know its painfull to watch that shit getting hit while u have a director who produced a movie with his own head, more reality type movie, and his movie get flopped....thats what happened to that tum bin guy....not lot of ppl watched his movie cause next to his movie, amitab bachans "AKS" was running ...now how could people leave amitab bachan movie for tum bin? common now....he is the popular guy ever in indian filim industory....even he makes a dumb ass movie, they want to watch it....so in all, directors find it a cheap way to get rich, that is why they are coping american or western movies...these directors are not even looking for the movie to win awards...all they want is the cash/profit....its sad but its the truth.....

I do also believe that now these days, most people as in general, they preffer movies that have some truth in em...such as Satya, Vaastav, Shool and family dramas like Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge, Ek Rishta, Hum Saath Saath Hai and theres more to name....they all have different stories and brillian acting aswell.....you know, cursing is getting popular too....who knows, maybe in future movies, we will have vulgar stuff like american movies....so many things are changing in indian cinema....i think its great as long as they limit with the copying and try producing movies using their own brains....i am sure they all are smart :)


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sknath wrote:
Guys one place where Bollywood can score points over Hollywood is the dialogue delivery !!!!

Come on where else can you find such dialogues as

"Galti Se Mistake Ho Gaya "
..The best of Hindi and English.... :D :p

True, true. There are some great dialogues in Hindi films.


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