In my Dec 6, 2005 post on page 1 of this thread, I did compare, sec by sec, the 201 min pirate version and the YRF Progressive version that's 189 min. There was no speed difference. For sure, YRF 24 fps version is not 4% sped up, so the pirate version is not speed up either.

If the 199 min Gold version really is Film to PAL, and is 4% speed up then it's equivalent to 207 min, i.e. 6 min more than previously avail 201 min version.

Is the Gold version really 4% speed up ?? Or may be it's Film to NTSC to PAL transfer, using field averaging, in which case it's not 4% speed up.

Gold Refugee DVD is NTSC format, not PAL...

Let me do some R&D and reply...

Stupid Question---is it possible to do Film-to-PAL-to-NTSC? What happens to runtime in such transfers? Could Gold DVD be this?

Thanks

PAL to NTSC transfers ae done all the time. But, it degrades picture quality for sure. Converting 50 fields per sec of PAL to 60 fields per sec of NTSC requires a few fields to be repeated or all fields averaged as is mostly done.

If the film to PAL transfer was done using 4% speed up, it will be passed on to NTSC in most of the transfers (field averaging).

It's possible and is done sometimes, 4% speed up transfer can be converted to NTSC by sorting out 24 film frames per sec from PAL transfer and then encoding to NTSC Progressive or Pseudo Progressive. 4% speed up of PAL will be converted back to orig speed. Picture quality too will be better.

Moserbaer has just released Refugee on dvd in India -- this runs 199 minutes (which is 207 minutes at 4% speedup) -- though NTSC.

As such moserbaer and gold dvds may be the same transfer...

wr can i find this ? Musicyogi lists only VCD

http://musicyogi.com/asp/movieDetails.asp?movId=MOV2706

wr can i find the DVD ?

gold dvd may be sold out -- try a retail store near you.

Hmm I saw The Moser Bare Dvd On Store Yesterday, Will Buy It If It's Not Sold Out