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rana
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monizam wrote:
Have you watched the dvd in its entirety--Seems like you did not..

I watched it twice, as kids liked it and wanted to see it again (and again and again).

Yes there were lots of scratches in the print, film print was faded at reel changes, film print was in bad shape, but what can you expect from a film that flopped and never ever had a re-run or was in demand. It's not a classic either that someone will want to preserve it, except for some young kid who liked the film and strikes it rich.

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I agree too, PRINT is BAD! and BEI did not go extra length to restore it! as they sell them for $3.99 a piece!

But still they give u prog transfer!! So just watch parts, where print is OK!! it really looks good, there man!! ha ha!

I wish PEOPLE/ZULMIS were simillarly PICKY re $20 DVDS too!!



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I think Rana is saying that a bad BEI disc is usually better than the usual quality for Eros, Samrat, Baba, etc. which I would agree with. Those companies use old low resolution masters while BEI, with few exceptions, does new transfers, so even if they get a bad film print like Khatta Meetha, it would still be better than a disc from the above companies. However, their DVD of Dillagi (Basu Chatterji) has an absolutely atrocious print and was a pain to watch, progressive or not.



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I loved that film so much, even with atrocious print/prog transfer , I bought it finally!

I wish, NEW DAYS films could be THAT CHARMING too!! :baaa: :cool:
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rana wrote:
monizam wrote:
Well now it is allright to compare BEI with EROS etc..Is that correct yaar?

This is exactly what I'm saying. Even the worst prints from BEI are better than best prints by others.

If we classify all of them as bad, then all are the same, which they aren't.

There may be scratches in the print, color balance may not be right (slightly off) due to fading etc, no restoration effort may have gone in, but the print is as sharp as a DVD print should be and is great for a never heard of 35 year old flop film. Color adjustments can be done on the display.

Rana

BTW, this thread is only a few replies away from making it to Zulmi Hot Topic. :D

nonsense just step back and listen to yourself rana "Even the worst prints from BEI are better than best prints by others. " man you're full of it why don,t you just admit bei is going the cheap way now and giving shit transfer now that would answer why they are selling for $2.99 cause thats all it's worth

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But still they give u prog transfer!! So just watch parts, where print is OK!! it really looks good,


who cares about progessive transfer when they give the print this kind of treament bei is just cheap ass money hungry dvd author now like the rest of them they are crap
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No one saying they dont make BOO BOO DVDS! this is not THE ONLY ONE!!

But dont compare, NUTS to MANGOES!Stay objective to OVERALL, DVD QUALITY by ALL HINDI DVD MAKERS! and THEIR PRICE POINT!

Then see GOOD VALUE or BAD VALUE for ur money!
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[who cares about progessive transfer when they give the print this kind of treament bei is just cheap ass money hungry dvd author now like the rest of them they are crap ] :nopity:

I care about prog, and I'll concur with u, including BEI all DVD MAKERS r CHEAPO dvd makers, in their own rights!
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But dont compare, NUTS to MANGOES


thats what you are doing price was not the issue here
your "dvd author on a pedestal" was and that too of their most recent transfer don't loose sight of that seems when they give out this shit like this it is readily acceptable
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rana wrote:
BTW, this thread is only a few replies away from making it to Zulmi Hot Topic. :D

Vow, made it to hot topic with hot discussion in less than 18 hrs. :D

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Clipper wrote:
nonsense just step back and listen to yourself rana "Even the worst prints from BEI are better than best prints by others. " man you're full of it why don,t you just admit bei is going the cheap way now and giving shit transfer now that would answer why they are selling for $2.99 cause thats all it's worth

All I wanted to say was that even this KISMAT BEI DVD is better (or less bad) than most other Indian non-DEI/ BEI DVDs by a long shot.

We sure can call this a bad DVD, but then we must be relative, other DVDs, that are worst than this, should be classified as badder and baddest if not worse and worst.

Rana

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Yes, I do care about Progressive. At least it's a new NTSC telecine transfer from film and not reauthored from old VHS.



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DragunR2 wrote:
I think Rana is saying that a bad BEI disc is usually better than the usual quality for Eros, Samrat, Baba, etc. which I would agree with. Those companies use old low resolution masters while BEI, with few exceptions, does new transfers, so even if they get a bad film print like Khatta Meetha, it would still be better than a disc from the above companies. However, their DVD of Dillagi (Basu Chatterji) has an absolutely atrocious print and was a pain to watch, progressive or not.

exactly.

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Clipper wrote:
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But still they give u prog transfer!! So just watch parts, where print is OK!! it really looks good,


who cares about progessive transfer when they give the print this kind of treament bei is just cheap ass money hungry dvd author now like the rest of them they are crap

When BEI puts out a bad DVD, it is usually not out of cheapness. They're not using very old masters to save money like the other companies.

I have not seen Kismat, so I cannot say how bad it is, but it would be out of the question for BEI themselves to do even an extensive video remastering to make the image look much better, and I'm not even talking about real film restoration.

Sure, BEI has put out a Disco Dancer from an old transfer occasionally, but that is an anomaly for them and obviously not normal operating procedure. At worst all we can say about BEI in the case of discs like Dillagi and Kismat is that they shouldn't have released the DVDs if those were the best prints the rightsholders supplied to them, not that they're cheapskates. If they start consistently putting out Baba quality DVDs, then we can call them crap and money hungry.
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anyone see this one kohraa i think thats how its spelt another recent one i tried watching it last evening though the movie shows b/w on the back cover it says color anyone know for sure whether it is color or b/w any if you yoy saw this how would you classify this one

actually rana i do care about progressive but when used in conjuction with a clean transfer any other time its a waste
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DragunR2 wrote:
At worst all we can say about BEI in the case of discs like Dillagi and Kismat is that they shouldn't have released the DVDs

KISMAT DVD is not the worst among DEI/ BEI lot. I'd call it typical DEI/ BEI quality. It's not as bad as Dillagi.

In the case of KISMAT, I wonder if there is any one who has the rights or cares about it. As I said earlier, it was a flop film, 35 yrs ago and I don't think there was any demand for this film or it's prints. So, nobody would have preserved or cared for this film prints.
May have been a flop film, but it clicked with my kids.

Clipper, Kohra was a B&W film. I should be receiving this DVD anytime now (may be it's already there at home). I'd let you know, how this PQ is.

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http://www.filmfare.com/awards2001/ex_artdirector.htm

Kohraa is listed under Best Art Director (B/W), 1964, but why is the color Jhanak Jhanak Payal Baaje also listed?



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