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As I've said Devdas could never win as it was all gloss and no substance, you can't fool the judges. SLB's best film without a doubt was Khamoshi, which was also the most different of his films. And if Monsoon Wedding was put forward last yr instead of Lagaan, it still wouldn't have won as it was still up against some tough competition and Vashundara Das' bad acting would have brought it down. Plus I'm not sure if Monsoon Wedding counts as an 'indian' film as I think it was funded manily by US sources. Something truly outstanding has to come out of India for it to win an oscar and whoever thought Devdas had a chance must've been high!

I agree Khamoshi is Bhansali best film to date, but this shouldn't eliminate HDDCS & Devdas for being pure garbage incomparison. Some of the best filmmakers never top there first films-- Ray never topped Pather Panchali, Welles never topped Citizen Kane. Bhansali is an unworthy comparison to these greats, but he has yet to disappoint me.

And I think had Monsoon Wedding been nominated last year, I am quite sure it would have won it for India. Trust me! It would have.

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...and whoever thought Devdas had a chance must've been high!

Sadly, I don't think India made any films last year that could have impressed the Foreign Film Jury. But because Devdas was getting recognized by TIME & BAFTA, it was infact the best choice India had to send last year.

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I'm quite sure that Monsoon Wedding could have been entered as an Indian film - but it I don't know if it could even have been nominated. The Academy doesn't quite like shoddy, gritty films, even if it is intentional.

Actually--many critrics from Hollywood were shocked that India didn't send Monsoon Wedding through its Oscar race, because they felt it would have gotten India its first Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film.

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At that time, the critics probably hadn't seen Lagaan. Furthermore, a film like Monsoon Wedding getting in would be kind of a cliche of the Academy. Lagaan is different from everything else. A completely different kind of narrative. Also Lagaan made Bollywood look good. Noone would think MW as Bollywood. On top of that Lagaan was an all-Indian crew. MW is practically a non-Indian production. I know its silly but frankly I wouldn't really be that excited if MW went in an won...
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Actually--many critrics from Hollywood were shocked that India didn't send Monsoon Wedding through its Oscar race, because they felt it would have gotten India its first Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film.

That was one of the biggest criticisms of Monsoon Wedding...why did most of the film have to be in English, only a few sentences were in Hindi & Punjabi, most of the film was in English. Dubey's character, his workmates & Alice were the only ones who spoke Hindi thoroughout and of course Mr Varma had to communicate in Hindi to them as they didn't understand Punjabi. For foreign language films a large percentage of the films needs to be in a foreign language for it to qualify for oscar nomination, maybe that was another reason MW wasn't put forth.
Not even Salaam Bombay won any oscars and that was all in Hindi!
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DVD Collector wrote:
Actually--many critrics from Hollywood were shocked that India didn't send Monsoon Wedding through its Oscar race, because they felt it would have gotten India its first Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film.

That was one of the biggest criticisms of Monsoon Wedding...why did most of the film have to be in English, only a few sentences were in Hindi & Punjabi, most of the film was in English. Dubey's character, his workmates & Alice were the only ones who spoke Hindi thoroughout and of course Mr Varma had to communicate in Hindi to them as they didn't understand Punjabi. For foreign language films a large percentage of the films needs to be in a foreign language for it to qualify for oscar nomination, maybe that was another reason MW wasn't put forth.
Not even Salaam Bombay won any oscars and that was all in Hindi!

I second the fact that Monsoon Wedding wouldn't be as worthy of a winner as Lagaan would be. But the fact is that, on the basis of which film had the best chance to get it for India, it would have been Monsoon Wedding. Personally, I think all this emphasis on getting an Oscar is getting a bit out of hand. For god sakes, getting one does not mean the world to India. It would be nice if India won one, but its value just seems to be a bit too exaggerated right now.

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Personally, I think all this emphasis on getting an Oscar is getting a bit out of hand. For god sakes, getting one does not mean the world to India. It would be nice if India won one, but its value just seems to be a bit too exaggerated right now.

I think because of Lagaan, Indian wants to be a world-player when it comes to movies. They made the largest amount of films per year and now decide they want to make decent movies and be appreciated like the rest classified under 'world-cinema'. Indians are just starting to do well - with Aankhen being remade in Hollywood, Vivek Oberoi to star in a film with a major Hollywod director, Astitva being remade for American audiences and theres more to come.

Lagaan was just the starting point, India is only now being noticed by the rest of the world for it's filmaking, due to the success of Lagaan and MW. The thing that was unique and phenomenal about Lagaan is that most people liked it - the masses, the critics, the NRI's, even westeners and europeans thought it was the only decent bollywood film they've seen (see reviews at amazon.com). There are very few Indian films (or no other) that has seen this kind of success. Most films are made for the masses in mind in order to make money, but are slaughtered by the critics and are not even seen by outside audiences, but the people go to see them. HDDCS and Devdas has the big-budget, the sets, the gloss and they were both mega-hits in India. However Khamoshi was a better film in terms of story, acting and execution, liked by contemporary cinema fans but it was a mega-flop among the masses....and why, because Nana Patekar didn't talk much, what a pathetic excuse! That just goes to show the mentality of the Indian masses. When the audiences mature, then the films would mature. I think only recently has this started to happen. If India continues to produce crap, they will be forgetten, if they strive to up the standards of their films they have a bright future.

Btw,I thought Company was a better film than Devdas, but that could never win an oscar! I think if MW was more in Hindi or Punjabi, it could've stood a better chance.
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