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India V England Head-to-Head

World Cups

Played: 5
India: 2
England: 3

All ODIs

Played: 47
India: 22
England: 23
N/R: 2


Recent ODIs (since Jan 2000)
Played: 11
India: 6
England: 4
N/R: 1

Last World Cup 1999, England

England won the toss, and elected to bowl first
Result: India 232/8 (50 overs) defeated Eng: 169 all out (45.2)
Summary of Recent Matches

England v India D/N, Colombo (Premadasa), Sep 2002
England won the toss, and elected to bat first
Result: India won by 8 wickets
Scores: Eng - 269/7 (50 overs) and Ind: 271/2 (39.3 overs)


England v India, NatWest Series 2002 Final, Lord's, Jul 2002
Result: India won by two wickets (3 balls remaining)

England v India, NatWest Series 2002, The Oval, Jul 2002
Result: England won by 64 runs (and earn bonus point)

England v India, NatWest Series, Chester-le-Street, Jul 2002
Result: Match abandoned due to rain

England v India, NatWest Series 2002, Lord's, Jun 2002
Result: India won by six wickets


Go INDIA Go!!!

Bus Ek Cup Aur!!!


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India off to a good start with England despite the loss of Sehwag. Sachin playing some glorious shots & belting the bolwers all over the feild. current score 81/1 in 13 overs.

Sachin OUT! :ffs: 91/2 in 15.1 overs.




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so far 81-1 in 13 overs is pretty good..... tendulkar ganguly batting....


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250/9 in 50 overs. Commentators say its not a batting pitch so lets see



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Looking good for India so far. England at 26 for 2 after 11 overs. Let's keep it up.

Update: Looks like India will qualify for the Super Six. England at 62 for 5 after 19 overs. Should be a good confidence booster for us.




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Anderson Who? Nehra will be man of the match 6/23 in 10 overs


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Duh.. the icing on the cake is still to be made on March 1... :D


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Inida vs. Pakistan is to Cricket. What England vs. France is to Soccer. Such matches I believe can embark bad blood between both domestic nations.

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DVD Collector wrote:
Inida vs. Pakistan is to Cricket. What England vs. France is to Soccer. Such matches I believe can embark bad blood between both domestic nations.

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DVD_C... I remember the days of the WC quatrefinal between India and Pakistan in Bangalore, 1996. We were huddled up to our TV sets in our Hostel room and boy oh boy, let me tell you something.. It was more than bad blood... It was like as is (as Omar Quereshi has stated in a recent article in the DAWN... some ppl watching Gladiators battle it out).
We were just literally abusing the Pakistani team ( Aamir Sohail and oh yeah Javed Miandad... :D), in any language possible... and oh boy when Jadeja Launched into that now (in)famous 6-hitting spree of Waqar Younis.. it was like Hara Kiri. Had it been some othe team, it would have been just an oridinary game.... but when the team is Pakistan .. you betcha... its sure gonna be fireworks.
These days 2 of my TA students are desperately trying to provoke me (no marks for guessing which team they support) :D but I am stoically keeping quiet. They were crestfallen today as India beat England ! (again for obvious reasons).... If you happened to watch that match.. (1996 Bangalore).. you would remember Sohail whacking Prasad for a 4 and pointing his fore-finger (indicating towards the boundary)... and the very next ball he was clean bowled and Prasad had his Thumb pointing backwards ! (The deafening roar.... after that wicket was magnificient !).. defeating Pakistan (in any game) is great for India and defeating India ( in any game) is great for Pakistan... Bad Blood makes it even more shall I say) INTERESTING...

*Footnote :- Consider this scenario. On March 1, my friend and his roomies plan to watch the India-Pak match on Rogers Cable... Just oone problem... he and his friend are Indians and the remaining 2 are Pakistanis... Imagine what will happen there :P


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*Footnote :- Consider this scenario. On March 1, my friend and his roomies plan to watch the India-Pak match on Rogers Cable... Just oone problem... he and his friend are Indians and the remaining 2 are Pakistanis... Imagine what will happen there :P

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What England vs. France is to Soccer.

??? England & France have never been big rivals in any sport. This India v Pakistan match is more akin to when England play Argentina in the football world cup – there's definitely bad blood between them there :laugh:

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the way pakistan is playing at the moment it is disheartening.. just shows why they are so unpredictable..!! As for the India vs Pakistan match, my money is actually on India Beating Pakistan if India bat first, but if pakistan bat first, they have a slim chance.. the shit baaaastards!! Even tho India has the upper hand in beating pakistan on saturday, i dont think they will get past the super sixes... its not like theyve been playing consistently too... they nearly got hammered by that shitty European country!!

As for Sknath - ure stupid comments about abusing cricketers while playing India.... all i can say is ure sad!! Its people like u who that have ruined a quality sport within the sub continent, where India hasnt been able to play Pakistan in a game of cricket because some racist minister cant stand the sight of India getting hammered by Pakistan (remember Pakistan has hammered India in more one day internationals than india has :bash:)

I dont blame pakistan for playing so shit lately anyway, they havent been able to play a single international game at home for the past three years.. what more do u expect!! Then u get the racist bigots in india stopping their cricket team from playing pakistan in any international venue, just shows why there is so much tension when the two teams play!!


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india played great against england...but pakistan is still a dangerous...


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Scenarios;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3....stm

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Faddy put it in perspective.... and you will understand why it is so... What is done in Bangalore (abusing the Pak cricketers).. is also done in Khi. (abusing the Indian counterparts)... Its as we all know... "to clap you need 2 hands".

I think the match is not a day and night match. The commentators have already predicted that the toss will be crucial, but not to that extent as it was against the Pak-England or England-India matches.. where the ball was seaming and taking that extra bit of a swing later in the evening.

The unpredictibility of the two teams as Faddy has pointed out stems from the fact that they have no cricketing contacts for the last 3 years (for whatever reasons you may deem fit to speculate).

Finally DVD_C... I will tend to agree with Ali... England-France soccer games are "civil" in nature ;)... His analogy of an England-Argentina game ... or for that matter Iran-USA match (those games are ones that will definately generate bad blood).

Here is the article by Omar Quereshi (is this the same guy who used to give expert comments in Sharjah ?)

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The big match


By Omar Kureishi

On March 1, Pakistan will play with India in the World Cup. For cricket fans in the subcontinent, it will be a match even more important than the final.

It will be the first time that the rivals will meet sine the Indian government linked cricket with cross-border terrorism and snapped cricket ties. It was an astonishing linkage but it did not meet with any disapproval from Indian cricket fans. It was a small sacrifice they were being asked to make.

The alternative would have been to ask the cricket fans to go on hunger-strike. India, of course, could have refused to play its World Cup match against Pakistan, as England refused to play in Zimbabwe for a host of patently bogus reasons, but this would have meant forfeiting the points. Sometimes, principles have to be abandoned at the altar of expediency.

In theory I should be looking forward to the big match and it should be a great game of cricket. But will it be a game of cricket? If Indian cricket fans can go on the rampage after India lost Australia, imagine what will happen if India should lose to Pakistan? An unruly mob attacked the home of Mohammad Kaif, prompting some to wonder whether added to the cricket brew was some communal seasoning. In communal riots in pre-partition India, it was not uncommon to settle some personal accounts.

In the 1987 World Cup, when Australia beat Pakistan sweets were distributed by Hindus and this enraged the Indian Muslims and four or five people died. When England beat India the following day, sweets were once again distributed, this time by Muslims, and a few more people died.

In 1996, the late Farooq Mazhar and I went to Banglore to watch Pakistan play India. This is how I had described the scene at the ground: " When we got to the ground, surprisingly without too much hassle and a minimum of jostling, the Chinnaswamy Stadium was almost full and there were long queues that stretched halfway to Calcutta, or so it seemed. Where would these people sit?

There was a sea of flags, the Indian tricolour. The crowd was already boisterous, though it could not be described as a festive mood. The occasion was too serious and the crowd made its intentions clear as it set up a crescendo of boos when it caught sight of a Pakistan player who had gone out to have a knock-up.

There was no goodwill, only malice. The atmosphere was charged, it was electric, it was nasty as it might have been in ancient Rome when the gladiators fought. It would prove to be a shamelessly partisan crowd, utterly graceless, a crowd that wanted only one decision and it was too frightening to contemplate what might happen if there was some other decision. There was the stench of hatred, from the rotten carcass of jingoism."

Nor did our own public cover itself with glory. On our way back, there was a lay- over of a few hours at Delhi and we took a room at one of the hotels near the airport. The Pakistan team was also at the same hotel. Riaz Khokhar was our High Commissioner then, and he had invited the team to a lunch at the hotel. When he learnt that I was also at the hotel, he extended me an invitation. The players were downcast, which was understandable, but they were also frightened. Their families had received threatening phone calls, the houses of one or two of them had been stoned. There was a report that the team would be met by a mob, a sort of 'welcome' committee. The travels plans of the team were changed and, in the end, they sneaked back home, almost in disguise.

National pride has been hijacked by multinationals and big business houses. So much passion has been created, so much emotion is being paraded, particularly in India by massive, patriotic advertising, that Indian team and the players have either been turned into demi-gods or clowns.

There has been an attempt to match this in Pakistan but we don't have the same kind of money that the Indians have. Still, it would be interesting to know how much money has been spent on 'selling' national pride. It would run into millions. This is a criminal waste of money. It has also created a very dangerous mood. One team will win and the other will lose. Neither victory nor defeat will be accepted. Perhaps, it might be best if the match was to be washed out.

Most of all, I fear for the Indian Muslims, fear what the thugs of Bal Thackeray will do in Mumbai or the hoodlums of Narendra Modi will do in Gujrat. Neither need much provocation to bring out their knives and their torches and kick up a storm of communal frenzy.

I will watch the match but will do so nervously and with great trepidation. This is not what game of cricket is about but this is what happens when national pride is turned into group hatred.


http://www.dawn.com/2003/02/25/op.htm#4




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