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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:22 am 
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Can someone confirm whether there is a 4% speed shhift or not.


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rana wrote:
Well, I'm not 100% sure, if it is really field averaged. I'm not 100% sure of PAL to NTSC either. Instead of PAL, it could have been 25 fps Digital to NTSC.

Recall, that original EVP titles that were interlaced (like Pyar Hi Pyar, Prem Kahani etc) were crystal clear pseudo-progressive where every 6th frame was a repeated frame. This indicates 25 to 60 transfer ( in 24 to 60 conversion , every 5th frame will be a repeated frame). This 25 could have been PAL or it could have been 25fps Digital.

Strange thing about SBG is that there is no repeat frame pattern at all in its 30 fps video (remember origin is from 24 fps film). Then it must have been field averaged, but very well done. No multi images or missing limbs, normal for field averaged DVDs these days. Also, the film doesn't have fast motion scenes. That helps too.

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Above quote is from 2002.

Tried again today, and still same conclusion. As I could not find any repeat pattern, I can't say for sure if it's 4% speed up or not. Most likely, it is 4% speed up.

DEI got rights for this film from EVP. DEI DVD seems to have gone thru one more video processing from EVP. Both DVDs are a few seconds shy of 155 min.

Assuming a 4% speed shift, it's at best a 162 min version. Note that IMDB states it as 152 min and Wikipedia says 155 min AND both of these are not correct. EVP DVD has Film CC dated June 20, 1972 (Film originally released in the early 1960s) shows 4755.60 meters which is 173 min.

So, at least 11 min seems to have been lost for ever.

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Any Film Historian ?? looking for lost footage ?? Check with Indian Archives or Academy Awards. This film was India's official entry for the Oscars. Film won (India) President's Silver Medal. So, might find a full copy with the Archives or with the Oscars ??


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:58 am 
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I've seen videos on YouTube which were sourced from the DEi DVD and I noticed no speed shift or pitch destruction. So my assumption is that there isn't any speedup.

So am looking forward :D


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:54 pm 
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There is a song by Hemant Kumar and a scene towards the end that were both cut shortly after the movie released. If you note title sequence lists Hemant Kumar as a playback singer - but there is no song by him in the movie.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:57 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:09 am 
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Shots from the French "Carlotta" version

Duration: 143 min
Format : PAL
Aspect Ratio : 4:3 Full Screen
Audio : Dolby Digital mono
Subtitles : French

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:14 am 
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Carlotta
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:32 am 
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Carlotta has also released Pyaasa and Kaagaz Ke Phool. Unfortunately it looks like KKP is out of print. Does anyone have it or know where to get it?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:54 am 
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Pyaasa screemshots have uploaded on the forum. I'm surprised about Kagaz Ke Phool. According to the web, it is an anamorphic transfer :D
Hope it is available somewhere.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:49 am 
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Muz wrote:
There is a song by Hemant Kumar and a scene towards the end that were both cut shortly after the movie released. If you note title sequence lists Hemant Kumar as a playback singer - but there is no song by him in the movie.


This is what's posted on Wikipedia.
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The song "Sahil Ki Taraf Kashti Le Chal" was edited out of the film. The song had a shot which showed Chhoti Bahu resting her head on Bhoothnath's lap in the carriage. Audiences reacted sharply to this so Guru Dutt removed the song and the 'offending shot' changing the carriage scene to a dialogue exchange between Chhoti Bahu and Bhoothnath. He also shot an additional scene with the paralysed husband repenting his sinful and debauched lifestyle. Hemant Kumar reused the tune for the song "Ya Dil ki Suno" from Anupama (1966).[2]


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:58 am 
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Screenshots from the excellent transfer by Carlotta that were posted on dvdclassik.com

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:41 pm 
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Bump!

For Ranaji. This is Jawahar Kaul with Waheeda Rahman in the movie.


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